CJ Shearn

yeah Jim, that's what I was thinking, of the Trane Half Note stuff. I guess the term burnout would apply to something that was new for that generation of players, but something that had been around. Though cats like Branford, Kenny Garrett, Tain were filtering it through their own lens.

from the Bad Plus Do the Math blog: “Burn out” was a favorite style of the Young Lions: fast, aggressive, modal, and dominated by a lot of piano and drum interaction (see “Chambers of Tain” on Black Codes). A lot of post-Coltrane 70’s jazz is also aggressive and modal, but one of the ways the Wynton or Branford Marsalis “burn out” music was distinctive was how modality was pushed chromatically to the point of atonality. Arguably the clearest predecessor to that “atonal modal” fast swing is Liebman and Beirach, first with Frank Tusa and Jeff Williams in Lookout Farm." Now, certainly there are examples of other forms of "burn out" Bird on "Koko", Johnny Griffin "The Way you Look Tonight", but what's defined above is more of what I'm after at the moment.

I've been in a real burnout mood and love things like Tain's "Mr. JJ" on "Detained", the stuff on "Black Codes", Branford's "Dark Keys", "Dewey Baby" off of "The Beautyful Ones Aren't yet Born" Kenny Garrett's "Triology" and "Standard of Language", the title track of "Beyond the Wall" definite burnout, Chris Potter's "Lift" what are some other records I may have missed in the past decade, or the 90's with more serious burnout stuff?

Akon is uh................. all the troubles he's had.

yes, he did. He has a true love of the music which allowed BN to do things for people like us after Norah Jones hit it big. They probably have introduced Al Green to a younger audience too, especially since ?uestlove produced "Lay it Down".

yes, especially the surprise on his face and when you saw him say "son of a.............." when his sons came on.

which is fine since that's just the natural course, there are some worthwhile new things like what Robert Glasper is doing so as long as they can continue things like that.

that's not good. It seems from the clientele the man who is replacing Lundvall has worked with, he has little experience with jazz.

Alexander's a very good player, but especially since he was the SFJazz Collective director, Joshua's playing and writing have gotten very interesting. I still love "Spirit of the Moment" sure Redman is derivative on that, but its such a burning record.

Jeff "Tain" Watts: Dancin' 4 Chicken, and Devil's Ring Tone: The Movie, and the instrumental version.

Branford Marsalis Trio: The Beautyful Ones Aren't yet Born

Hmm, interesting.. There are plugins, well I have one of them, since my stereo is hooked up to my computer called Stereo Tool which has an increased stereo option to widen the spread without any artifacts.

son of a........... it does have "Sweet and Lovely". I'm not a vinyl junkie so......... but wow.

Theres no correlation between "Roll Call" and "In the Air Tonight". The latter is a great tune, I love it, but seriously, pun intended.

guess they couldn't license the original cover. Neither version is truly complete though because they both omit "Sweet and Lovely". I have to listen to the CD set again but maybe each "Epistrophy" was included, don't know.

what the........ You're right Lon I just pulled the disc off the shelf and compared the track timings against the Mosaic site for the 4 LP's and the bits of "Epistrophy" as the themes for each set aren't included except for the final one, b/c I think the liners to the double disc say they wanted to cut repetition. Yet,the live Miles sets seem to include all versions of "The Theme" at the end of them, hmm.............

cool Shrdlu. Theres just something about the hard swinging rhythm section of Kelly/Chambers/Cobb, thats hard to beat. Even though they are on both albums, "Full House" has just a certain atmosphere that makes the stretching out on the tunes wonderful.

Actually I can see Ratliff's point. I have a friend who plays drums in a metal band, who also enjoys jazz and we talked about how theres a lot of similarities between the music as far as speed, odd meters and technical proficiency. There are drummers out there like Travis Barker, whom I don't necessarily like, but he has studied jazz, from what I've read somewhere.

The CD from '98 has wonderful sound. The LP set looks nice though.

That logo you have is the 1985-to the present version of the '59 era one. Theres a newer variation without any text in the barline, and of course for various new albums in the past 12 or 15 years they have resurrected the '64-66 era version with the catalog numbers in the entire whole note portion of the logo. In 1959, for only Jackie Mac's "New Soil" and Blakey's "At the Jazz Corner of the World" issues, on the front cover on the upper left hand corner there was a vertical stripe with "BLUE NOTE" the catalog number and a half white/black LP label design. There's also the version from '68-71 or so with the solid color logo with "BLUE NOTE" underneath in a square. Then the lowercase "b" logo, used on labels and album covers from about '73 till the label shut down until 1985. From what I've read and understand about the shoes, mostly hip hop fans with no interest in jazz are buying them.

True, it is odd RVG collapsed the spread on some of the initial batches. Why "Maiden Voyage" still sounds fresh though is b/c it's one of Herbie's most enduring tunes, but also because that style is the template for and what many young players are doing today as far as straight ahead goes.

well Claude, I would consider myself an audiophile without tons of money, like mainly I listen through Audio Technica studio monitor phones which are very good, so I'll just wait for the Music Matters issue. There are some McMasters I regret getting rid of like "Prayer Meetin", even though the RVG has greater detail, I roll the treble back a few notches to get it to sound ok, though. There are some McMasters I would not give up like JOS "Crazy Baby" if an RVG ever hit domestically, b/c it has good dynamic range, while other RVG's like "Maiden Voyage" and "A Night at Birdland" I find to be vast improvements. Others that have now become RVG's like "Grant's First Stand" I simply chose not to upgrade from the McMaster, b/c well I already have that music, and I have heard bits of the RVG, but prefer the sound of the '99 McMaster release, again more dynamics. I'm pretty much like a lot here on sound but if I find something that sounds good to me, I'm happy

damn, RIP

This may seem crazy, but for me, "Full House" slightly edges out "Smokin at the Half Note" which is just as indispensable.