The Magnificent Goldberg

Struth! Another one you've got HP!!! (Don't tell Jim! ) I agree about humour in music. So much seems heavily deliberate. I've had this album since '94 and haven't got tired of it yet. MG

Sometimes the information is stored on the CD. This had become a standard in the last few years. The encoding is called ISRC and you can learn about it at http://www.usisrc.org/ . My last dozen discs are so encoded. Is that the system where the titles & artists come up on your normal CD player? MG

I have them all - you're infer a treet! MG

Chuck Willis - Complete 1951-1957 - Okeh & Atlantic (JSP) MG

iTunes, when I've used that to rip, has usually asked me if I want to use Gracennote, if I remember right - also asks if I want to send some data there, which I never do. WMP never has offered me a choice of any kind. It always just goes off and gets the data. MG

Many happy returns, Evan. MG

Sorry, I don't understand having a choice. Seems you get what you're given. MG

That's a very interesting point, and isn't what I thought you were talking about. I raised the issue of the effect of land use policy on music a few years ago. I didn't really get any clear relationships between land use planning and jazz from the books recommended about KC and St Louis (the other not available in the UK library system). But I'm still interested in the impact that land use makes on jazz (or any other kind of music). The only kind of thing I've been able to find where there was a definite effect was in the decline of soul jazz and the organ rooms in the seventies. It was, of course, complex, but land use played an important part in several ways: population shift out of the ghetto to the suburbs reduced the numbers of potential customers for organ rooms; common to all the western world, the shift of manufacturing industry from city centres to peripheral sites reduced employment opportunities for the less skilled in the ghettos and consequently impoverished those areas somewhat; the development of Disco music (which many soul jazz musicians made good money out of recording) brought discotheques into being which competed with the organ rooms; Blaxploitation films also competed with the organ rooms, for spare entertainment money (at this time, the black audience was the only part of the cinema audience that was growing); R&B objectives (always important in the development of soul jazz) shifted with the development of Hip Hop in a way that jazz musicians could not (or didn't wish to) match; Specifically in Newark, Kenneth Gibson, elected Mayor of Newark in 1970 on a reform ticket to deal with a number of what Bob Porter (in the sleeve notes to Lou Donaldson's 'The scorpion') describes as ‘peripheral activities that made the Newark jazz scene possible’. In land use terms, the more prosperous residents of inner cities were able to leave - an effect of the civil rights struggle, of course - and the less prosperous were earning even less money because manufacturing was also moving out. Of course, the organ rooms were mainly patronised by the local black population. The jazz clubs you're talking about were (I guess) mainly patronised by whites and tourists. As jazz has declined as a popular medium of entertainment, it seems to me that jazz clubs have simply become less economically viable. It would be interesting to me to know how the gentrification issue has impacted and why. MG

Hot Ptah got this one. Yes, I can see finding it interesting because of who it is. I hope, when you read the thread and find out, you'll find it interesting because of who it is. To be perfectly frank, I've had to listen ot this track A LOT over a few weeks and I can hear where you're coming from. I still think it's fantastic, though, and a good wake-up call. MG

Better. Why use the photo I posted on the front page of your website? It's incomprehensible. MG

Someone has to place the data in Gracenote; it doesn't appear by itself. I think it's a reasonable assumption that it's the record company in most cases. In Membran's case, it looks like this was done by a careless and ignorant employee. Ignorant because WE all know that there couldn't be a recording of Billie Holiday singing 'Billie's blues' for seventeen minutes. (Unless it was deliberate, as I suggested earlier.) MG PS The error on Billie Holiday, to my mind, proves that it can't be a case of Gracenote picking up another album with the same combination of timings, because there can't be any such thing in the database.

Jim R got this one. ABC, not Impulse, but nearly. Recorded at Bell Sound - were a lot of Impulse records made there? I thought RVG did most of them, but never really checked. Not Russell Jacquet - a trumpet player, of course - on baritone. You're the first one to spot this as an adaptation of 'Now's the time'. Not Freddy Cole. Yes!!! It's a track from Cab's first session: 24 July 1930. Not Baby Face, but one of the great most original organists (and one to whom I think Baby Face owed a bit of a debt.) Not Hartman. (Or Cole ) Try #13 again, Al, when you're not so tired. This geezer ain't even slightly sleepy. MG

No he's not It's Ron himself. Glad you enjoyed so much of that. MG

Que es? Yes, I wondered, too... MG

Just thought I'd explain my reaction. That ought to do it. This on the first page of her site. 'I'm not trying to make a good impression on any audience... fuck 'em'. MG

What a miserable looking woman! Couldn't listen to music by someone who looks that pissed off. MG

Is that an EP? It only looks about 7" square. MG Just finished playing Al Grey - Shades of grey - Tangerine MG

I'm suire they do that, but the tags that were attached to my ripped tracks were from different albums, likely produced by the firms owning or licensing the material, such as Ace. Perhaps Membran DELIBERATELY assigned their CDs to the wrong albums so as to obscure the firms' product that they used in their compilation. But one track doesn't seem to have been released on CD, as far as the discographies I've seen are concerned. That's 'How high the moon' from a Feb 1945 show, which only seems to have been released on Stinson SLP23 (in 1963) (and 3 Asch 78s). It's not in the Verve discography at Jazz Discography project. MG

Yes. Some came from Ace, some from Proper, some from Universal. A bunch came from a label with a wierd name which I've forgotten 'Gut something'. MG Oh, that would all be the material that WASN'T the Membran material, I guess.

Leo Parker - Rollin' with Leo - BN (DMM Pathe Marconi, France) Reminded of this by the BN Trumpeters () thread. MG

Jeez! I was expecting maybe Jeffcrom to get this one, not you! Bloomin' fantastic! MG Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while. I thought that #7 begins with a very characteristic Dave Bartholomew riff. To try to identify #7, I played my CD of Classics 5002, The Chronological Dave Bartholomew 1947-1950, in the car, hoping to find a song that began with that riff. To my surprise, the very first song on the CD begins just as your entire Blindfold Test begins. Well, I never thought of that! MG PS and I recall now that it was you who was the only one to get the instrumental B side of Jessie Hill's 'Ooh poo pah doo' in an earlier BFT I did. I didn't think ANYONE would get that!

This afternoon Atlantic New Orleans jazz sessions MG

Snot pulled; smoved to politics. MG

I don't think it was that. I would guess that Membran - a notable cheapo company - uses cheap labour to do its work for it and they, neither knowing nor caring since they're not paid enough to care, can't be bothered to get it right. Anyway, it's simple enough to disconnect from the internet. Just switch off your router - my machine has a disconnection function if my wife were using her machine on the web, so I could use that, too.

I got the Membran JATP box on Saturday and listened to most of it on Sunday. I decided to rip the lot to my hard drive and sort it out into the original albums, which I think will make it easier for me to absorb all that stuff. So, about ten AM yesterday, I started ripping. Oh Lord! I’ve complained about the work needed following ripping, but this was ridiculous! Each disc, as I ripped it, was assigned to some completely different album, so everything was wrong. Except for the last disc, which came out correct for some strange reason. This is what the database decided I was ripping: disc 1 JATP in Tokyo disc 2 JATP The Montreux collection disc 3 Buck Clayton Copenhagen concert disc 4 JATP Perdido disc 5 Billie Holiday Star power disc 6 Roy Eldridge What it's all about disc 7 Charlie Parker 1946 JATP concert disc 8 Hawkins Eldridge Hodges alive disc 9 The legendary big bands - Krupa, H James, Basie disc 10 correct - JATP all stars feat Roy Eldridge !!!!!! None of these incorrect assignments was entirely irrelevant. Disc 7 had the right session, for the most part, but a different issue, with loads of other material. That was the case with one or two other discs. So I spent ages, after the rips were all done, working out which the correct titles were and changing the file names, then sorting the stuff out into albums, then re-tagging everything. I got all the discographies nice and lined up and Googled for the correct album art. By then it was six PM, so I got dinner and, still in the dining room looking after the dog (and without my external hard drives, so I couldn’t back it all up), started putting the art work into the files. After a few goes, I noticed that there were some albums with tracks missing. I must have done something, though I’m not really sure. I checked the albums I hadn’t yet got around to and some of them had items missing, too. Anyway, I couldn’t find the bloody things. They hadn’t been deleted, because the waste basket was empty. But they weren’t ANYWHERE in my music folders. I thought I remembered that, when I’d moved the ripped tracks to the new album folders, I’d sometimes by mistake copied them, so I went back to the original folders WMP puts the rips into. And there were all the missing tracks! All with their original file names and original tags. That was why I couldn’t find those tracks – I was looking for the new filenames. BUT some of the tracks contained the new album art I’d put on after dinner. So these weren’t the original tracks I’d left lying around in the original folder – they were tracks I’d altered already. And had been moved and the original titles and tags reinstated while I was adding album art. How could that happen? I’ve no idea, but I had a few choice things to say to my computer Anyway, I had about 15-20 tracks to redo. I did them finished putting on the album art (with no repeat of the incident) then added the discographies to each folder. By that time, it was nearly ten o’clock – twelve hours (less meal breaks) since I’d started! So, if you buy this box (and I think there’s a little material in there that isn’t in the Verve box – an album that only came out on Stinson) think twice before you start to rip it. It’ll save time if you disconnect from the internet first. The internet is not ALWAYS your friend MG