The Magnificent Goldberg

You never know what you'll find in Blogland. Here's an interesting page covering the ups and downs of the life and career of Odell Brown. http://wdajnabi.wordpress.com/2014/04/16/back-story-odell-brown/ There's a LOT I didn't know about in there. MG

Never saw this thread before and am feeling like getting some more Treniers. Are there sleeve notes with the download? MG

Someone find an original LP, so we can work out who screwed Mrs Parker for the royalties and maybe why. MG

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I'd be prepared to shell out for a copy anyway. Great framework for a book of the subject, MG! A couple of random thoughts: - One link between R&B and jazz that I find important too: Leo Parker. See where you can fit him in. - Some careers might be long ones to describe and fall into several categories. Your list of "later singers" includes Ernie Andrews. I have several 78s by him which place him rather in the "Sepia Sinatra" category, i.e. stylistically and historically earlier rather than later. So ....? - Another key person: Red Saunders. Agreed about the club comedy part. Redd Foxx, Mabley/Markham? After all they sang too. Oh yeah, Leo Parker was really there. Chapter 3, I think Dunno about Ernie Andrews. I haven't heard anything earlier than his GNP material. Did he have an impact in the late forties/early fifties or was he just getting going? You could say the same about Etta Jones - but her just getting going period had her substituting for Ella Johnson with the Buddy Johnson band when Ella was off pregnant, which is kind of important. I also think there may be a need to include something about big bands in the sixties - Gerald Wilson, Lloyd Price, Onzy Matthews - others? Q Jones? Any thoughts? MG

Yes, you're right if you mean that they were loved in the black community as much as Jug was later and, one way or another, were primary influences for all the sax players in soul jazz. And I assume, because you didn't include Coleperson Hawkins, that's what you do mean. Sure you're right about the relevance. OK - you can write that chapter for our delectation and education (Don't forget, I'm a furriner.) MG

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OK, the 45 version of 'Doin' it to death' was only five minutes and a bit. MG

Steve started me thinking about what a book covering soul jazz history might look like. So I jotted down some ideas and pinched his title . YES YOU CAN DANCE TO JAZZ - A history of "jazz for partying" in the Black community 1945 to 1975 Chapter headings/content Prelude – The swing bands 1 Big bands in the black community – some big bands remained focused on black customers in the swing era thirties (Erskine Hawkins, Buddy Johnson, Tiny Bradshaw, Cootie Williams, Lucky Millinder, Lionel Hampton, Andy Kirk, Milt Larkins etc) (territory band stuff got from Preston Love’s book). But where do Basie & Chick Webb hang in all this? Half in, half out? Part 1 – the world before Rock & Roll 2 The Honkers 1944-1954 – Illinois Jacquet, Arnett Cobb, Wild Bill Moore, Jaws, Hal Singer, Big Jay McNeely, Paul Williams, Big Al Sears, Eddie Chamblee, Rusty Bryant, Red Prysock, Earl Bostic, Sam ‘The Man’ Taylor, Lorenzo Holden, Gator Tail, Frank ‘Floorshow’ Culley, Lynn Hope, Joe Houston etc etc 3 The non-Honkers (?!) – Gene Ammons, Ike Quebec, Sonny Stitt, Buddy Tate, Lou Donaldson, Teddy Edwards – some boppers, some swing musicians, what brought them together? 4 Singers – Dinah Washington, Ella Johnson, Etta Jones, (probably Little Jimmy Scott, though I don’t like him and haven’t explored his work), Esther Phillips, Arthur Prysock. 5 Early organ groups – W B Davis, Buckner, Doggett, Jackie Davis, Baby Face Willette etc 6 Guitarists – Tiny Grimes, Bill Jennings, Grant Green, George Benson. 7 Relationship with developing R&B: the refugees from the Millinder Band – Wynonie Harris, Bullmoose Jackson, Big John Greer; L Jordan; Big Joe Turner; Roy Milton; Amos Milburn; Joe Liggins; Todd Rhodes; lady R&B/jazz singers - Julia Lee, Hadda Brooks, Camille Howard, Nellie Lutcher, Marion Abernathy, Savannah Churchill; Sepia Sinatras – Charles Brown, Nat King Cole, Ivory Joe Hunter, Percy Mayfield, Cecil Gant. Part 2 – The soul revolution 1954-1964 8 Gospel music in R&B - Clyde McPhatter, Esther Phillips(?), Wilson Pickett, Sam Cooke, Jackie Wilson, James Brown. 9 Turning it into jazz - Ray Charles & Horace Silver – hard bop & soul jazz. 10 Tenor/organ combos – Jaws/Bagby, Jaws/S Scott, Lorenzo Holden/Ernie Freeman, Schoolboy Porter/Jack McDuff, Joe Holiday/Jordin Fordin etc. 11 Later organ groups – Jimmy Smiff’s development from hard bop to soul jazz. Patton, Roach, McDuff, S Scott, Holmes, L Bennett, J H Smith, Kynard, Patterson, Gloria Coleman, Ludwig, R Scott, Marr, McGriff, Rhyne, P Bryant etc. 12 Pianner players – Mance, McCann, Lewis, Timmons, G Harris, Mabern, H Foster, Parlan, Garland(?), Kelly, John Wright, Simmons, Ray Bryant. 13 Later singers - Ernie Andrews, Irene Reid, Gloria Lynne, Nancy Wilson, Dakota Staton, Ernestine Anderson. Part 3 – Funk & Disco 1964-1974 14 James Brown, The JBs, Parliament, the Horny Horns, Kool & the Gang, Fatbacks, the Counts. 15 Freddie McCoy, Lou Donaldon, Houston Person, 16 Even later organists L Smith, Earland, S Phillips, B Larkin, L Spencer, R Wilson 17 Latin stuff to disco Deodato, Pucho & LSB, Mango Santamania, Afro-Blues Quintet +1, El Chicano PS Part 4 – After the end 18 Swirling strings & Barry White, smooth jazz & George Benson (not forgetting ‘precursors’ Wes Montgomery & Stan Getz). 19 Soul jazz goes to France – Black & Blue records & the Midnight Slows. Comments? MG

Right now Earl Hines & Stephane Grappelli - The giants - Black Lion This music is so very graceful, it's hard to believe that people can manage to stand up after playing it. MG

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Your query made me wonder who got the composing credit on the original LP but it seems I gave it to a neighbour when I got the CD. So I don't know. No doubt someone has this on vinyl. MG

'Moose the Mooche' was titled 'Groove Bird' on the original LP issue. MG

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Well, I did have 'Kind of blue' in the sixties, but soon got rid of it. Maybe I'd like this one better But I don't care enough. I like Jackie Ivory's version of 'Freddie the freeloader'. I spec y'all will hate it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6cXq2_CDuc MG PS the Youtube version is from a shorter 45 issue. The edits rather fuck it up, even though they didn't take much out.

How many fewer? I've met three and one of them was Gloria Coleman MG

I thought that was a joke question - my only knowledge of Ronnie Ball is through some of the Chris Connor albums I have. I didn't know he was English. Wiki doesn't say he was Kenny's brother, nor that Kenny was his. So I dunno the answer. But there's only two years between them and they were born in different areas of the country, so the chances are they weren't related. MG

Ah, got it now. Yes, that's some rather nice playing. I only heard her EP with Dayton Selby once but I don't think she was playing ANYTHING like that in the late fifties. Pity she didn't record in the eighties. I think I'd have died if Joe Fields had put out a cut like that 'Pennies from heaven' (Pennies from fuckin' heaven, yet!) on Muse. And this was the era of smooooooooooth jazz! Thank you, Jim. MG

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I haven't seen the video clip of Willene. All I've got when I hit your link is a pdf file, which is the few pages from B&R. Am I doing something wrong here? I'm not thinking or seeing very straight lately because I've had a headache for a fortnight, so I just might not have noticed what I'm supposed to have noticed. (Seen doc & optician today and it's apparently just Hi blood pressure.) MG

one of the excellent "late" Bill Hardman outings !! Yeah, I love this one and 'Home' but I'm not so keen on 'Focus'; that sounds too much like a jazz record. MG

Yeah, that album was originally called 'Red hot from Alex' (a play on the title of a film) on the Transatlantic label viz: He looks a good bit younger in that photo than in the one they were using in the late sixties (the one I got) or the one you've shown. That's him more or less as I remember him, but somewhat neater MG

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I read the article as saying that the Design LP was a reissue of the Gateway album with one track missing.

I hardly ever bought Blues & Rhythm - mostly I was a poverty-stricken young parent in those days. Bought a few in the early 80s, when things were looking up. So the article is very much news to me. A few interesting things in there. The Wolverines - who are referenced as having backed LaVern Baker's earliest material for OkeH - are the same band that backed Johnny Ray's first single (also for OkeH) - 'Whisky & gin'/'Tell the lady I said goodbye'. Ray's singing on those cuts was very much like that of Amos Milburn. Course, he and LaVern both sang at the Flame Bar in Detroit. The Gloria Bell, who was photographed playing bass with Myrtle Young & her Rays is better known as Gloria Coleman or 'Auntie Gloria' as she was usually known in Newark. I never knew she played bass first. But like Brother Jack, who also started as a bass player, she always had a good bass line. Really nice pic of the entire personnel of Eddie Chamblee's Prestige LP. Thanks very much for unearthing that, Jim. MG