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I'm guessing that Jackie McLean's "Jacknife" (from the most recent round of Conns) would be the most common Tolliver CD, from among things that are already in print. Or, lots of people probably have Booker Ervin's "Structurally Sound" (with Tolliver) - which would kill a couple birds with one stone, since Impossible asked about having a Booker Ervin album as the album of the week. (I think "Structurally Sound" is faily common, and should be in many of our collections already.) As far as Tolliver-lead sessions, "The Ringer" is fairly common - and might be a good one to do. Anybody think "The Ringer" is too obscure to have as an album of the week? Another Tolliver-lead session that's also somewhat common is "Grand Max", but I fear fewer people will have "Grand Max" than might have "The Ringer".

Chuck, I think someone's using your password. "Morning Train"?????

An occasional relatively new release would be OK, but for the most part, I think it'd be easier to get more people listening and commenting if we went with classic dates that more people already have. How about this - before someone picks a 'new' release as their Album of the Week - they could float the idea with the board for feedback. (That way, if relatively few people own the album, then that might be something to consider as to whether it should be an album of the week.)

I'd vote for only including multiple CD sets, IF the release was first released as a multiple album set (meaning in it's original release), or if it has been expanded with additional material from the same sessions, in it's CD release. Lee Morgan's "Live at the Lighthouse", a 3-CD set, would be OK from my perspective. But I would not include any multiple CD sets that were originally released as separate albums. (Of course, there's an exception to every rule: I would include Miles Davis "The Complete Concert: 1964 (My Funny Valentine & "Four More" (a 2CD set) as being one conceptual album, since all the material comes from one concert - even though it was originally released as two separate albums. ===== I'm open to other thoughts --- but I think we should keep this to 1, maybe 2, or occasionally 3 CD sets (at most), so we increase the chances of people being able to listen to all the material (even a couple times through), and commenting on it during the same week that everyone else is doing the same. ( I think the odds of everyone getting through their Complete Miles Plugged Nickel set (all of it, all in the same week) - are mighty slim. )

Herbie Hancock - The Prisoner Andrew Hill – Black Fire Don Cherry – Complete Communion Something by (or at least with) Charles Tolliver (what’s everybody already got??)

Well, if you're gonna get like that then... Hans Werner Henze

A few days ago I stumbled on what I think is a FANTASTIC radio documentary about Frank Zappa. The whole thing is on-line, and easy to access... Link: "Frank Zappa: American Composer" Also, please see my technical request down below too... Here's a description..... Also, does anyone know how I can download this documentary, in order to burn it on a couple CD's??? It's *not* in an MP3 format, and that's the only thing I have any experience with downloading. Thanks a bunch!!!

I really liked the first two Garbage albums. ( Didn't care for the third nearly as much, or maybe I haven't spun it enough yet. )

Zappa Hendrix

When I heard Osby's quartet here in Kansas City a couple months ago, I talked with Jason after the show. He gave me the impression that a trio-version of Afrika Bambaataa's 'Planet Rock' would be on the new live album. I didn't ask him specifically what would be on it, but he said something like "wait till you hear the trio version of 'Planet Rock'!!" (IMHO) JAMO is one of the most exciting young jazz musicians and composers out there today. I look forward to Jason's new CD's (and Greg Osby's recent releases too) the way I imagine some others did of Miles Davis albums in the 60's. I'm there at the store the day they come out. In fact, I got 'Black Stars' the night before it came out, by writing a post-dated check for it. Supposedly stores can get in deep trouble for selling releases before their official street date - but it wasn't like anyone gave a shit about a new jazz release slipping out early. I remember the night I got 'Black Stars' quite well --- I listened to it twice through, before going to bed, and loved it. Then, the next day was Sept. 11th (2001) - and I didn't listen to any music of any sort for about two or three weeks. And even then, for some reason I wasn't in the mood for 'Black Stars' for several weeks more.

To the best of my knowledge, it has never been released comercially. I've never seen the Yellow Shark broadcast, but would love to get a copy of it - someday. If anyone knows of a good source for one, I'd be interested too.

So, Ed, how was the show???? Do tell!!!

I'd have to think that the Larry Young Mosaic was a very slow seller, maybe the "slowest seller" of any Blue Note Mosaic box. I can't remember the details, but I know I've read on the BNBB that it "timed-out" long before the end of it's run. I think barely half the total number of sets it was supposed to be limied to (7,500 - if my memory is right), were actually produced. I think we arived at that 'fact', either from someone never having seen one with any number higher than 4,000 --- or else maybe someone from Mosaic let us in on the inside scoop. And, of course, the Woody Shaw Mosiac certainly hung around a very long time too.

Same reaction for me too to this one (plus one ). Oh how I wish Wayne had played tenor on "1 + 1". I'm not much of a fan of soprano anyway, in any context, and Wayne's brand is difficult for me to get very excited about. I know others like it, and I'm not saying it's "bad" -- just that it isn't my cup of tea. As far as whether I traded it in or not - I think I did trade this one in, but again - all my stuff's in boxes, and I'm starting to forget what I have and what I don't have. ===== On a side note - when I packed up all my CD's (about 3,000 total, about 35% jazz, 45% classical, and 20% rock/pop/whatever), I did have the foresight to put all my Blue Note discs in boxes of their own, which I have already unpacked. One has to have something to survive on!!!

I either still own, or used to own "Forms and Sounds", and I know what you mean. (Most of my CD's are still packed in boxes, and I can't remember if I ended up trading this one in or not. I suspect I thought about it, but in the end - I probably kept it.) Tough disc, even for those who are big fans of Ornette, or even those (like myself) who really are big fans of modern string-quartets and/or wind quintets!! I can get off on some of the most difficult chamber music by even the 12-tone guys, like Schoenberg, Berg, Roger Sessions, or even Henze (who isn't strickly a 'serial' guy). But for some reason, I have never been able to get into Ornette's writing for strings all that much. I do mostly like "Skies of America", but I know it's cuz Ornette's actually playing some on it, and on alto specifically. I used to own the "Naked Lunch" soundtrack, and traded it back less than a year after I got it. Now I wish I had it (or so I thought), but then I happened to hear parts of it on some internet radio station, and it didn't do much for me - so I probably was right in trading it back in. I tend to lump Ornette's string writing in with guys like Morton Feldmen, who do next to nothing for me.

If by "slay this beast" you're asking whether you should close or delete this thread????..... Please don't. No reason to, from my perspective. I'm not asking to turn this into another bash BN thread, but I do feel it's important to mention how sad I was, skimming some of "Today's Topics" (from 2001), remembering the BNBB community. I really like it here, a whole lot!!! - but I still miss the old place too.

I'd have to give a listen to specifically react to what your talking about. But, from my memory, I do agree that there is some degree of similarity (or, perhaps, "sameness") to Herbie's comping on his more unstructured stuff from the mid 60's (including his sideman dates). And, I seem to remember the same kind of "sound" on some of Herbie's comping on a bunch of live 1967 recordings of Miles' 2nd quintet -- some of which had a similar kind of unstructureness to it at times (although, (IMHO) in a more refined way (meaning "less free") than the Miles "Plugged Nickel" material from late 1965). (Too wordy, damn it. Try again...) I guess what my brain remembers my ears hearing is Herbie banging an ambiguous chord (one that doesn't suggest a root, or key-center), in a rhythmic sort of way -- almost using the piano more as a percussion instrument, rather than implying static harmony, or (to an even lesser extent) trying to suggest any sort of harmonic movement. (FYI, I'm also not a jazz musician, so all that above is totally flying by the seat of my pants. Somebody please tell me if anything I just said makes any sense!! ) In short, Big Al, I think I do know what you're talking about, although (if I'm remembering right, and thinking of the same stuff you're specifically talking about), I really like this kind of "functionless" comping, actually. I've heard it in other contexts, from other pianists, and if done tastefully - (IMHO) I think it builds tension for the listener, although in a much less obvious way than more "audience-friendly" tension-building effects (like you find in more traditional 'hard-bop', for instance.) Great topic, thanks for bringing it up!!

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I don't have enough Clifford Jordan, I'm rapidly discovering. My favorite of his (of what I've heard so far) is "Glass Bead Games", with Stanley Cowell/Cedar Walton, Sam Jones/Bill Lee, and Billy Higgins. It's on Strata East, and totally has that "Strata East" vibe thing goin' on. Two questions: 1. How is Jordan's "In the World"?? - also on Stata East, from 1969. I've never seen, nor even heard of this album (until tonight), but the line-up (according to AMG) is Don Cherry(!), Julian Priester, Wynton Kelly, Richard Davis and/or Wilbur Ware, and Albert "Tootie" Heath". Damn, Don Cherry, really!!??? What is this album like???? 2. How is Jordon on Andrew Hill's "Shades"?? - on Soul Note, from 1986. This is one of the few Hill CD's I don't yet own (only because I haven't found it for a reasonable price yet). I've heard nothing but good things about this one, so I obviously need to break down and get it, even if it has to be at full price. I really don't have very much Jordan, really, and welcome any suggestions you might have. Thanks!!

Thanks for the link to that article. It mentions... Anybody know what album this is??? About to see if I can find anything about it, on-line, now... I'll post any info I find, if I manage to answer my own question. Thanks!! ===== ===== PS: Never could find this on-line, but I did find these when I did a search on "Larry Young Tribute", from Google. Appears to be a live tape making the rounds. No idea if this is the same thing mentioned in the article.... Source: http://www.pattontrader.com/main.html

I was just looking at the AMG, to see if anyone else had ever covered any of the tunes from All Seeing Eye (not at all likely, I know), but I did find one curiosity - a various artists disc (the soundtrack to some broadway production?) that appears to have the Shorter tune Face of the Deep on it (and I'm assuming it's probably the same recording as on the original All Seeing Eye). The album was this... Link: Topdog/Underdog: Music From the Original Broadway ===== Back to my original search - does anyone know of any remakes of any of the tunes off All Seeing Eye. 99% chance there aren't any, but it never hurts to ask.

I often think that All Seeing Eye is my favorite Wayne Shorter album - something about it being a slightly larger group, with a three-horn front line - and how the tunes seem more organic, almost 'orchestral' in their building of tension and release. I will definitely give this one a spin this week, and will gladly report back my findings. ===== Damn, I just looked up the line-up (which I had kind of forgotten the details of), and I had totally forgotten that All Seeing Eye has a four-horn front line, not three: Hubbard, Moncur, and Spaulding - plus Wayne, and Herbie, Ron Carter, and Joe Chambers - shit, what a *GREAT* band. Great choice for album of the week!!!

Now THAT's a pretty damn obscure recording. Never heard of it before, and can't seem to find much about it on-line, although I am getting a few hits from some French websites, all in French (of course). This is a clear example of why we need a comprehensive Joe Henderson discography/sessionography. I have a hunch he's on a dozen or more dates that I've never even heard of. I find decent on-line sessionographies for all kinds of classic BN artists, all the time - sometimes multiple sites for the same artist. And yet, there's nothing even halfway decent covering Joe Henderson. ===== And while I'm on my soap box, I sure wish there was a complete sessionography for Charles Tolliver too. The one on Tolliver's own site is decent, but only lists album titles, not tunes or recording dates - let alone sidemen. Someday....

Thanks, brownie!!! - I'd always wondered about the cover for Into Somthin' - which is probably one of my all-time top-10 favorite BN covers. I'm a big architecture buff, and was kinda curious about that building, although I never expected to find out what it was, or rather, where it was (and I presume, still is - I hope). Like most, my first introduction to Larry Young was Unity, and then one of my very first TOCJ's was Into Somethin', which I got primarily because it included Sam Rivers. I missed out on the Mosaic, unfortunately, but did manage to find a darn reasonably priced one on eBay about 2 years ago - for only $120 (including shipping). Didn't include the booklet or box, but I'm 99% sure that the CD's and CD packaging are legit. I wish I had the booklet, but the music's much more important. (The guy listed it on eBay without the words "Blue Note" or "Mosaic" anywhere in the title, or the listing itself, so it didn't get on nearly any many people's radars - if they were searching for anything other than "Larry Young" specifically.) ===== I can't wait for Mother Ship, which Tom@BN said was probably on the October list for Conns. That, and the previously unreleased Andrew Hill big band sessions (with Woody Shaw!!!!) - and I'll be a happy guy!!!