king ubu

So WTF does this have to do with Dan's Nero software problems? Eh? c'mon, you can do better than that! I recommend Burrrn anyway, burning is much easier ever since I deleted Nero off my HD!

By the way, I just bought a pair of new jeans... size is 33 (waist) & 36 (leg) - just in case that helps you identifying me

I have no kinds of disorders, neither seasonal nor others, I assure you. The frustrations of some posters seem to just sort of take over the board in spirit, more and more, and "good ole bitter Chris" is part of those posters in our perception. Couw was not out of line, as he's not reacting to this particular post of Chris', not even to Chris alone, but to a general development that is to our utmost dislike. Now you can say "take it or leave it", but maybe it's still worth a thought why more and more of the europeans are leaving (and add Chaney to that crowd, too, please). Anyway, in my opinion it is decisively *not* about free speech vs. civility. This is not a necessary opposition, maybe not even a valid one, putting it up so generally. I am very much for free discourse about anything anyone wants to talk about, but you can still chose to do that in a civilised manner and tone (if you can't maybe that's is your own issue then... might be a good idea to see a shrink then, or take some deep breaths and relax and play some stoopid music...) And don't get me wrong, I have been grateful and have said thanks also on various occasions where Chris shared insights, stories etc from his professional involvement with music. I'm a sucker for all of that, being way too young (born 1979 in case it matters - I think my b-day is still in my profile anyway), but I'm getting so tired of these on-going derailed threads where one of the boards semi-gods boosts and inflates his ego, with many clapping and cheering bystanders... (ooh, sure, some cheerleaders would be nice, too!)

It's part of the "Crosstown" 2CD package, as are Bert's two other Savoys. Mighty fine stuff! I think the date with Monterose is spread over "Encore" and the third (besides "Musician of the Year") album, so getting that package is good anyway, to have it all in one place. Larry, how about Urbie Green, wouldn't he fit in there with Dennis & Bert, too?

Just dropping in shortly, not much time for the stoopid internet today... I generally agree with couw, I fully agree. It's that ego-driven stuff that makes the board such a drag again and again (that has been going on for months, I guess for approximately 2 years even, it just gets worse, it's a slow development). It's not about free speech, your highest deity on the other side of the pond (yup yup, I won't make any political statements here now, but there'd be plenty when even the supreme court went in a totally wrong direction to "guarantee" - which I guess means "safe" - what they/some of you here think "free speech" is...) - anyway, if we're all effin grown-ups, as some think, please also revert to old-fashioned virtues like decency and politeness now and then, not just to your goddam free speech! It gets so pathetic every once in a while! As for "couw" being a phantom, it's just plain ridiculous what you state there, Chris. Couw used to have a profile with much more info before Allen Lowe started trolling him and other displeasant things about the board got worse. Couw is no phantom, many of us know his name (you know it, too, it has been posted in this very thread also), many know where he lives, what he does, how many kids he has etc. etc. By the way, just to prevent you from attacking me as a phantom: the very same applies to me. I went "anonymous" after the dreadful che thing (where most yanks thought it was just about "free speech", too, I assume? at least a little support from overseas took a looooooooong time coming, I can assure you, and it was painful). If you want to get to know us, interact with us, too, not just with yourself, the other similarly hyped-up semi-Gods of this board, or your own ego... you can talk to us normal useless, unknowing ignorant posters, too, if you want, it's quite easy in fact, even we have found out how to do it. (Yes, free speech and class system, partly self-imposed by other awe-struck dumbos like me, that seems to be no opposition then... almost british, I presume... good anglo-saxon traditions living on...) So now then, fire away, drive us all away by your rude (no, not witty very often, alas, and not funny at all) behaviour and make the board an all american ego display if you like... A last note: too bad it's just you who posted in here... might get a worng impression, you could even stylize yourself to some kind of martyr, but let me assure you, you're in pretty good company in your ego-country... there are others there and I guess everyone knows whom I'm talking of, more or less... doesn't matter anyway if no one sees it but a few of us old-fashioned retarted yurpeeans who couldn't swim well enough to make it over the pond. Now fire away - language I've used may be a bit too harsh here and there (remember, english is a foreign language to some of us! We could gladly continue in German if you'd prefer - and no, I'm no nazi, I'm swiss, I just live from stolen gold that my grandfather... etc) - anyway I do think I generally managed to express what are actually my thoughts on this point.

there's a thread started by mikeweil in the misc. music section already! r.i.p.

You'll find plenty of news via google news, for instance this one here (Guardian): Composer Stockhausen dies aged 79 Obituary: Karlheinz Stockhausen David Batty and agencies Friday December 7, 2007 Guardian Unlimited Karlheinz Stockhausen, a controversial giant of 20th century musical modernism whose works were seldom embraced by mainstream concert audiences, has died at the age of 79, it was announced today. Endlessly prolific, whether in fashion or out of it, he composed 362 works, including the world's longest opera, Licht, a sequence of seven pieces - one for every day of the week. The whole piece lasts 29 hours. News of his death was released by the clarinettist Suzanne Stephens and flautist Kathinka Pasveer, two "companions" who had been associated with him for than 30 years and performed many of his works. "In friendship and gratitude for everything that he has given to us personally and to humanity through his love and his music, we bid farewell to Karlheinz Stockhausen, who lived to bring celestial music to humans, and human music to the celestial beings, so that man may listen to God and God may hear His children," they said in a statement. "On December 5, he ascended with joy through heaven's door in order to continue to compose in paradise with cosmic pulses in eternal harmony." They added that they would continue to protect Stockhausen's music. Their farewell was appropriate for a composer who never courted popularity or convention and in his later years continued to plough a lonely furrow. Born in 1928 in a village near Cologne, he trained first with the Swiss composer Frank Martin before making one of the key decisions of his life: he headed to Paris in 1952 to study with Olivier Messiaen and Darius Milhaud. Works hailed by enthusiasts (including the Beatles, who included him on the cover of the Sergeant Pepper album) as masterpieces included Gruppen (1955-57). The work is written for 109 players divided into three groups laid out before and to either side of the audience. Stimmung, his extended 70-minute piece for six voices, "completely refashioned the very idea of what a vocal ensemble might do and be", according to Paul Hillier, whose new recording was released last month. Reviewing the disc, the Guardian music critic Andrew Clements described the work as "a vast elaboration of a single six-note chord based on the overtones of the note B flat" and added: "Stimmung is one of the masterpieces of the last half century. Like all the greatest music it is unclassifiable - part meditation, part gigantic motet, part phonetic game - and totally resistant to imitation." Stockhausen embraced the new world of electronics. In a studio at the Paris Technical College, he laboured to produce "a structure, to be realised in an étude, that was already worked into the micro-dimension of a single sound, so that in every moment, however small, the overall principle of my idea would be present". He also developed his own take on serialism and declared in the early 1970s that "serial thinking is something that's come into our consciousness and will be there forever; it's relativity and nothing else . . . it's a spiritual and democratic attitude toward the world". The world moved on but Stockhausen refused to have anything to do with minimalists and post-modernists. And they chose to have nothing to do with him. Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/germany/article/0,,2224071,00.html

Thanks for posting the obit, brownie. Here's a reminder to everyone to grab a copy of Dizzy Reece's fine album "Asia Minor" (OJC Ltd. Edition - though to be OOP but currently part of the Concord sale again - likely the last chance to get the original CD at a sane prize...). The band includes a young Joe Farrell and obviously Cecil Payne on baritone sax! This album might be better than all of Reece's Blue Note albums, but of course it's much less hyped up... (don't get me wrong, I like the Blue Notes a lot!)

I must have missed this thread last time... "Musician of the Year" is indeed fine, it was the first Bert I had (a reissue LP). The date with J.R. Monterose is possibly even better, though... all of that material for Savoy has been collected on a great 2CD set by Fresh Sound, recently: Eddie Bert Quartet & Quintet - Crosstown (2CD) Fresh Sound in addition offers a single disc with very, very good 1953/54 sessions by Bert with bands including Vinnie Dean (as), Sal Salvador (g), Duke Jordan (p) and Sal Mosca (p - on one session only): Eddie Bert Quintet - Kaleidoscope Definitely an underrated musician here that many more jazz fans ought to hear!

Can't see new material being included in the 3CD set Turns out the image was taken by the great Hungarian-born photographer Paul Almasy who spend most of his life in Paris where he died four years ago! Some other photos by Almasy. Also to confirm that all the music in that 3CD set has been issued previously in the JinP individual discs or box sets. Thanks for this additional info, brownie! I hope you didn't have to check it track-by-track yourself! I've heard the name of Almasy, but that's all I know about him...

Eddie De Haas is also on Chris Connor's album, "Chris in person", which was done at the Village Vanguard. Hard to imagine a musician who's played the VV being regarded as unknown in a jazz context. The other members of the band were Kenny Burrell, Bill Rubenstein and Lex Humphreys. MG Eddie De Haas is all over the place if you start looking a bit closer! Like for instance he's on the three Steeplechase Vonski albums that I'm playing this afternoon! (And no, not Vonski + yurepean pick-up band but Jodie Christian, Wilbur Campbell and De Haas.) One would expect from a site providing "general overview" such as AMG that they indeed realize such things... but then I guess the individuals who actually are writing up the short texts on albums don't exaclty have that greater perspective that would be nice to see on such a site...

Volkher, you'll be more than welcome. There are still plenty of good wines to taste. And hopefully more Jazz in Paris releases by then! I thought they officially announced the end of the series? (Or are you just talking of good offers of previous releases that you'll pick up for Volkher?) Thanks Jim, that sounds very reasonable. I don't expect an answer that solves any question, for sure - and I sure can live with the board as it is right now. No way I blame you for what the members here do and don't! Anyway, I appreciate what you're doing for us a whole lot, that's for sure!

And then accordingly the other album should be called "Chet Baker Sings... Badly & Plays... But Marginally Better"? Yes, I have most of Baker's early stuff... I wouldn't bother about these reissue questions otherwise... the live discs are indeed among the finest!

No, I made individual orders. That works in the States with the free shipping but not as attractive for you. Thanks for clearing that, Chuck! Definitely not an option, but still good I didn't pay too much the Concord folks! "Just Us" on Prestige is another fine Richard Wyands trio date, although under the nominal leadership of Roy Haynes. Oh, I wasn't aware that Wyands was on that one... now that might indeed be the early trio date I've been looking for then! Thanks for the recommendation! I'll look for this disc! (On a side note: interesting choice of bassist there with Eddie De Haas... and funny that AMG calls him unknown... of course, all yurpeens are unknown in the US, except for guys like Mr. Chevrolet...)

I agree with the above statement of Daniel's, too - the changing general "mood" of the place has led me to post less and care less... I still browse here all of the time, and there are threads where I regularly post (like the film corner), but in general I've kind of distanced myself a bit... possibly that started way back with the whole che thing... so again it boils down to a personal thing were feelings were hurt and it took way too long for any kind of reaction from "the crowd" here (with noted exceptions, of course, no denying that!). As for brownie: you know how much I owe you and how much I enjoyed my trip in October - I will certainly not be out of touch even if you'd leave the board for good!

Although I have all of the music already - on the strenght of the first box I just ordered this one... bn.com has a 15 coupon (X7A7N3M it was for me - got it by mail - valid for only one item, not a whole order, and only to Dec. 13, I think). Anyway, 49$ all inclusive (cheapest shipping option, 8.48$), quite a deal, I'd say, with the $ worth sh*t! Looking forward to getting it (after having to bury plans to get it from someone as an x-mas gift...)

Yes, that's indeed great news! Never mind saying thanks to all of us donators, Jim - just keep the site going that's all we can hope for! And do accept the offers for help if necessary! I'm sure this board can get a bit too much with all the other much more important responsabilites you've got!

Does that mean you can use several coupons at once and I missed that? The one I used was from the letter about the sale that you can fine on the start page, but to find the coupon, you have to open the whole thing and go on reading some.

You’re confusing the hell out of me, king ubu! The compilation The Best Of Chet Baker Sings includes all material from Chet Baker Sings, and all from Chet Baker Sings And Plays except the strings session which instead ended up on the Grey December CD. Since both Sings and Sings And Plays now have been reissued on CD with original cover art and track order, all relevant material can be found on those CDs. In other words, the strings session is back where it originally was, on Sings And Plays. Hope that clears it up. The The Route CD includes three non-Pepper tracks. One is a Baker feature, one is a Kamuca feature, and one is a trio performance featuring pianist Pete Jolly. You get the entire session on that CD. Then, as long as we are talking about the 1952-57 Pacific Jazz/World Pacific recordings, there are of course also Theme Music From ”The James Dean Story”, Embraceable You, and the three 1953-54 live CDs, the earliest of which includes the original Jazz At Ann Arbor album, but also another session. Yes, this was a way for Blue Note to sell the same material again, but at the same time I must say that I much prefer the new incarnations: original albums with bonus material at the end when available. I guess I'm one of those who simply prefer the original album feeling. Thanks for these additional comments! They clear up some more of my questions... it's just too confusing... Just one thing "Chet Baker Sings" is still the old CD only, older than "The Best of Chet Baker Sings", no? As far as I know, that one hasn't been re-done in the recent series! Here's the cover of the one I'm talking of, just to avoid further confusion: The "James Dean" and "Embraceable You" discs I have, as well as the three live discs. I just left them out of discussion as there's nothing chaotic about them... same for the 1956 Baker/Freeman quartet re-encounter. That one also has only seen one US CD release, hasn't it?

here's a valuable candidate

something fishy going on here... (he he!)

Charlie who?

Evidence? I really don't see that as a problem... rather seems unlikely to me that this will not happen... remember that old chap who said mankind was a "zoon politkon" or something like that? To me, it would be less fun without at least having the possibility to post something else than jazz-related stuff... sure, we can all try and not make these little remarks, but no way you can just stop that totally. What *is* boring though is the continuing US-american navel-gaze in the politics forum (please, no, this is *not* a politic remark... it's a mere observation... if someone from some other area posts something in there, it's ignored more often than not, while the american topics just go merry-go-round... but then I guess that reflects the actual situation [now it's getting political, now I stop] << see these rooster[parenthes]ism? He he, where is he anyway, it wasn't him who started the fundraising poll!?!)

any volunteers? (hint, hint)