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Oh well, I'll eventually get the missing ones... I'm just in no hurry! I love the songs of Gershwin (or rather: of the Gershwins, the lyrics often play an important part in my liking them!), and Porter may simply be the best for me, all considered... I didn't mean to set up any rating in my last post, but I didn't connect with the Porter box as much as with the Ellington and Gershwin boxes. But that's mostly due to the backing bands and arrangements, I think... and also some of my favourite songs are absent on the Porter (though that again may make it better, since some of the most often done songs are absent... but still I like some of those best...)

Yes, I'd like such a CD issue too. I believe that these are Vic Dickenson-led sessions. The other issue I'd like very much would be the complete Circle recordings by Corea and the company. It would be disc 4 of that set, disc 1 is on Hall's CD "Profoundly Blue", discs 2 and 3 are on the Hall/Johnson/De Paris 2CD set James P. Johnson Solo James P. Johnson (p) WOR Studios, NYC, November 17, 1943 (1) J.P. Boogie (2) Backwater Blues (3) Carolina Balmoral (4) Gut Stomp (5) Mule Walk (6) Arkansas Blues (7) Caprice Rag (8) Improvisations On Pinetop's Boogie Woogie (Pinetop Smith) Sidney DeParis And His Blue Note Stompers Sidney DeParis (tp) Jimmy Archey (tb) Omer Simeon (cl) Bob Green (p) George "Pops" Foster (b) Joe Smith (d) WOR Studios, NYC, June 14, 1951 (9) When You Wore A Tulip (alt) (10) When You Wore A Tulip (11) Moose March (trad) (12) Panama (13) Please Don't Talk About Me When I'm Gone (14) A Good Man Is Hard To Find (15) Weary Blues Vic Dickenson Quartet Vic Dickenson (tb) Bill Doggett (org) John Collins (g) Jo Jones (d) WOR Studios, NYC, June 24, 1952 (16) Tenderly (17) Gettin' Sentimental Over You (18) Lion's Den (alt) (19) Lion's Den (20) In A Mellotone The Morton/Hamilton dates would also be great to have! (Those were done on a 1LP Mosaic "set".) And yes on Circle! Great idea... would it be enough for a Select? Maybe with some other related material? Not "Now He Sings" obviously, but maybe the other Corea album with Holland/Altschul, "Song of Singing"? I think I'll drop Mosaic a mail...

Very good - Lake (sticking to alto btw) was excellent in this setting. Weber is a young(ish) local bass player who's up and coming (disc out on hatOLOGY, for instance, very active here), and Ulrich is an older local guy, also pretty active. It was fun to see the three play sort of old-fashioned 60s-ish free jazz, sometimes with changes, sometimes with some kind of fixed beat, sometimes with none of that... Ulrich was fun, even more so compared to the too restrained/controlled Lucas Niggli from the night before... very lose and pretty light drumming, though in the tradition of Elvin and the other great ones. Weber has a beautiful sound on bass and lots of good ideas. And Lake convinced me even more than last night... I'm not a fan yet but this was a mighty fine gig from him. They started out with a tune that I think was by Steve Lacy, but I'm not quite sure. ... up for Chuck & clem - please consider! thanks

I can understand that reaction, EKE - mine was somewhat similar... though I've known Wertmüller and find him pretty impressive! (I knew what to expect...) Brötz played tenor / alto / alto / clarinet (as far as I could see a normal wooden b flat one, but he played so loud, it could have been a metal one) / tenor (encore). Anyway, the simple wall of sound was amazing by itself... but as I said, I'm not quite sure how much there is about it... it's music that sort of stands still, it's not developping, rather just a state ("estado" or "estado actual"?) that you stay in while listening, a space (or rather lack of?) that the musicians create, and that you can or cannot stay in... (some people left last night, of course... some just dislocated to the corner that was the farthest from the stage... some went out and came back in...) - it's like it could just go on forever, once it's established... I think it's not necessarily to be judged by common criteria...

buffetarie? ou salopperie? ça, c'est la question, pauvre con!

My enthusiasm has waned a bit... but I did get the Gershwin 4CD set in another (UK, I think) Amazon sale a year or two back, and that's a fine one. I got it together with the Ella/Louis 3CD set, which has lots of fun music on it, too.

connerie...

buffonerie...

what the hell are you talking about?

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This was what I caught yesterday: Very good - Lake (sticking to alto btw) was excellent in this setting. Weber is a young(ish) local bass player who's up and coming (disc out on hatOLOGY, for instance, very active here), and Ulrich is an older local guy, also pretty active. It was fun to see the three play sort of old-fashioned 60s-ish free jazz, sometimes with changes, sometimes with some kind of fixed beat, sometimes with none of that... Ulrich was fun, even more so compared to the too restrained/controlled Lucas Niggli from the night before... very lose and pretty light drumming, though in the tradition of Elvin and the other great ones. Weber has a beautiful sound on bass and lots of good ideas. And Lake convinced me even more than last night... I'm not a fan yet but this was a mighty fine gig from him. They started out with a tune that I think was by Steve Lacy, but I'm not quite sure. Then Workman for a half-hour bass solo, which he announced as "Sketch". Pretty nice, more great double bass sound, and of course it was a joy to watch this master (he was low in the mix during the Trio 3/Schweizer set on Saturday, so it was even better to really hear him this time). He mostly played traditional, jazzy stuff, but in between did some percussive things and some unconventional stuff, also bowing some. Nothing earth-shattering, but it was good. Then to top things off, this earth-shaking band... Brötz on tenor (beginning & encore), alto (most of the time in between) and clarinet (for just one "track"), he was in his loudest mode, what with this earth-shattering band (they even managed to kill a beer glass standing next to me and my friend... the vibrations made it fall off a table and break in hundred pieces...). Wertmüller was astonishing... definitely not from any jazz drumming tradition, rather influenced I assume by hard rock or heavy metal. And Pliakas is playing very fast stuff that you can't actually hear, just feel, paired with Wertmüller's speedy bass drum. Pretty extreme! And on top of that add Brötz in his screaming mode... on alto, he really did hurt the ears... I'm not sure what this was, nor if it was anything much... but it was definitely an experience! Somehow it all felt very static to me, the only big difference being in some rather beautiful alto sax solo passages, or some slow build-ups by Wertmüller with Pliakas laying out. Other than that, nuance and development is not part of this music...

I had typed up a long post about last night's concerts at the Unerhört Festival, it got lost after I hit "add reply", effin' sucks! I don't feel like typing up all the b-s again, it's such a pain to tranlate all of these adjectives and stuff about music into merikan, suffice it to repeat from the lost post that Trio 3 & Irene Schweizer definitely were da shit, as they say! So I'm reconsidering my opinion on Oliver Lake, even though again he failed to convince me completely... he's certainly serious about what he's doing, that I'd never deny, but still, as an instrumentalist, he fails to really blow me away.

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The Louis Smith album would be great to have, one of the very few ones that come to mind. The missing parts of the Hall/Johnson/Dickenson Mosaic would also be great to have on individual CDs, and all of those great Art Hodes sessions, too! Any or all, that is! And I'm sure there are some other things that have never been out or OOP for a long time, the only one that comes to mind and that I would indeed buy is Stanley Turrentine's "Look Out", but I haven't checked how hard it is to find that one... Other than that I have the feeling that most of the stuff has been out by now and is in no real need of yet another reissue... there was a point where the RVGs indeed started getting a bit absurd, for instance when that Lee Morgan album came out again while the "old" version of it was just 2 or 3 years old... The Smith is one of the very few from the well-known/loved/hyped years of BN (1955-1965 roughly?) that has not been readily available, Dizzy Reece's "Soundin' Off" is another one, but I'll eventually get the Mosaic Select even though I have everything else that's on it, except for that one album. The "Tenor Man" album would be interesting though, and some more Pacific items in general. The album Groove Holmes did with Ben Webster is one that has been out but impossible to find for me so far, so there'd be another one to reissue that has already been on CD... but while there was the rather absurd Chet Baker series (almost everything was still available, grouped a bit more reasonably, too - and all of these go OOP now before EMI yurp would put out non-cc versions, too - sucks!) of reissues being reissued, I guess all the other things just wouldn't sell, or at least that's how the execs look at it (who owns BN anyway by now? Did them private equiteers already start taking things apart?)

That one has been reissued by Lonehill, coupled with "Intermission riff", a 1951 Shrine Auditorium gig that was previously out on Pablo. Damn fine coupling if you ask me. MG Thank you for the hint, I was not aware of this reissue. I am not familiar with the 1951 session though. That's probably because the only copy ever in a local shop disappeared when I bought it on sale for 10 swiss franks (I think at one of the lousy Hug stores... quite possibly even at the one in main station...) - good one indeed!

you prefer mexikins? yurpeens? or real ones, like texans? all edible, by the way...

... and just what do you have 'gainst us merkins? no youtube for me at work... but to answer your question, it might have something to do with their big dicks...

I don't have the album in question and since the original poster (is that something like "original sin"? he he) does not want more off-topic comments, I will not mention that I am not a particular fan of the Bregman-arranged sides on the O'Day Mosaic... he he I will however get it if I happen to see it in a sale again, after having read this thread!

creepy? what the hell...

oi oi oi oi! you merikins are sooo pathetic! go back to the moon! (isn't that where you came from? or did I miss something there?).

You're not. Apologies then if there've been some hidden hints I should have noticed... always appreciated to get information straight from the soure!

Excellent group to see live! Sorry to say I didn't find them convincing... mainly Lake, pretty uninteresting player, falling back on cliches too often, doing the overpowering high energy stuff, not building many coherent solos. Cyrille seemed tired but had a few good spots and generally played quite good. Workman was great, good sound (although pick-up > amp) and his solo spot (they did three solos towards the end) was beautiful. Also, contrary to Cyrille (disinterested) and Lake (arrogant, at least that's what he seemed to be, not only to me but also to a few friends who where there), Workman was projecting warmth and joy while on stage. Will see Trio 3 again on Saturday... haven't given up hope quite yet even more so after getting some flak over in another thread. This time they'll play at the Unerhört festival and Irene Schweizer will play with them! On sunday then: Zoom, Schweizer, Workman and Brötz are the main interest, but I'll gladly let myself surprise by Lake this time! And Lucien Dubuis, who's part of the first band that appears on Saturday, he's great, too!

C'mon. . . .When have YOU ever been wrong? so bobs talking of bobs can't be wrong... too bad if that's true (not the bob thing, but the facts *the* Bob stated above, of course)

Thanks for the update. Too bad ! Apologies but I don't get it - who is "notme"? Bob Belden? Or any of those other guys on that (interesting-looking) project he mentions? Just trying to find out why you (sidewinder) consider this info of any relevance... maybe I'm just too stupid...