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So then, with Org back up I am on vacation now, hence bare-bones answers only, no comments... I will just post the pre-compiled material I have ready. Too bad that there hasn't been more discussion and more interest in general, but I want to thank everybody who did care to post and comment! I enjoyed it a lot! 1. DOLLY RATHEBE - Kitty's Blues (2:59) Dolly Rathebe (voc), Kippie Moeketsi (as), Mackay Davashe (ts), Elijah Nkwanyana (tp), Sam Maile (p), Jacob Lepere (b), Willie Malan (d) Recorded in South Africa, October 17, 1954 (Language: Sotho) 2. JAZZ MANIACS - Weekend (2:56) Probable personnel: Kippie Moeketsi (lead as), Benny "Gwigwi" Mrwebi (2nd as), Wilson Silgee (lead ts), Mackay Davashe (2nd ts), Gray Mbau (lead t), unknown (2nd t), Mickey Vilakazi (tb), Jacob Moeketsi (p), Victor Hamilton (g), Joe "Kitty Joe" Kitty (b), Willie Malan (d) Recorded in South Africa, January 18, 1956 3. JAZZ DAZZLERS - De Makeba (Mackay Davashe) 2:47 Kippie Moeketsi (1st as), Benny "Gwigwi" Mrwebi (2nd as), Mackay Davashe (ts), Kleintjie Rubushe (t), Dugmore "Darkie" Slinger (tb), Sol Klaaste (p), General Duze (g), Jacob Lepere (b), Willie Malan (d) Recorded November 25, 1958 4. JIMMY PRATT with LEMMY SPECIAL and MIRIAM MAKEBA - Rockin' in Rhythm (Duke Ellington) 2:52 Miriam Makeba (voc), Lemmy Special Mabaso (pennywhistle), unknown (p), unknown (g), prob. Mannie Markes (b), Jimmy Pratt (d) Recorded in South Africa, c. September 1958 #1-4 Taken from: "South African Jazz And Jive, 1954-1960" (Line Records MSCD 9.01092 O, 1991)

So then, with Org back up I am on vacation now, hence bare-bones answers only, no comments... I will just post the pre-compiled material I have ready. Too bad that there hasn't been more discussion and more interest in general, but I want to thank everybody who did care to post and comment! I enjoyed it a lot! 1. THE JAZZ EPISTLES - Scullery Department (Kippie Moeketsi) 7:06 Hugh Masekela (t), Jonas Gwangwa (tb), Kippie Moeketsi (as), Dollar Brand (Abdullah Ibrahim) (p), Johnny Gertze (b), Makaya Ntshoko (d) Recorded in Sophiatown, South Africa, September 1959 Originally released on "Verse 1" Taken from: "Jazz in Africa, Volume 1 featuring The Jazz Epistles" (Camden CDN 1004) 2. JOHN MEHEGAN - Body and Soul (Green-Sour-Heyman-Eyton) 4:15 Kippie Moeketsi (as), John Mehegan (p), Claude Shange (b), Gene Latimore (d) Recorded in Johannesburg, South Africa, 1959 Originally released on “Jazz in Africa” Taken from: same as #1 Note: on the other tunes of this session, Hugh Masekela (t) and Jonas Gwanga (tb) are also present - with Kippie the full frontline of the Jazz Epistles 3. THE BLUE NOTES - Blue Nick (Dudu Pukwana) 4:06 Mongezi Feza (t), Dudu Pukwana (as), Nick Moyake (ts), Chris McGregor (p, leader), Johnny Dyani (b), Louis Moholo (d) Recorded in Cape Town, South Africa, early 1964 Taken from: "Township Bop" (Proper Records PRP CD 013 - 2002) 4. WINSTON "MANKUNKU" NGOZI - Yakhal 'Inkomo [bellowing Bull] (8:55) Winston "Mankunku" Ngozi (ts) & Early Mabuza Trio: Lionel Pillay (p), Agrippa Magwaza (b), Early Mabuza (d) Recorded in 1968 Originally released on "Mankunku Quartet - Yakhal 'Inkomo" (1968) Taken from: "Freedom Blues: South African Jazz Under Apartheid" (Nascente NCCD 048, 1999) Note: this album has been reissued on CD paired with Chris Schilder's album "Spring" which also features Mankunku - I don't have the CD yet, seems tough to locate... I assume the CD reissue would contain more info about date/location of recording.) (cover of CD reissue I couldn’t locate yet… not sure this was the album’s original cover) 5. DOLLAR BRAND - Memories of You (Blake-Razaf) 4:50 Kippie Moeketsi (as), Dollar Brand (p), Victor Ntomo (b), Nelson Magwaza (d) Recorded in the early 1970s, first published in 1971 (same session as "African Sun") Taken from: "African Sun" (KAZ CD 102, 1988)

I'm in, too! Will post my replies now that the board is back up (I'm on vacation now - will be bare-bones reply, pretty bad timing that the board had to be down right while I wanted to wrap up my BFT...)

Also played disc six yesterday, the Jimmy McPartland sessions - not bad, again. Some very nice Tyree Glenn trombone, and that Dick Cary chap is interesting! Looking forward to hearing his own date on disc seven! Oh, and before I forget, some nice Coleman Hawkins (AND Bud Freeman) on the "Music Man" album, too!

Quickly approaching end of disc five - a most enjoyable 2 1/2 discs by the Rampart Street Paraders!

I went from zero to most of Ammons' OJC/Fantasy discs within a few months and love most of it! Favourites, off the top of my head: - Gene Ammons Story: Gentle Jug - Gene Ammons Story: Organ Combos (or what's it called again?) - Jug - Boss Tenor (RVG edition readily available) - the various Jams, can't name a favourite... maybe "Blue Gene"? - the album that's partly w/big band, "Late Hour Special" (I love this one quite some!) - Up Tight (a great twofer, all just Jug with piano & rhythm) But as others said, almost anything is worth hearing!

Just finished disc three - the Hackett sessions are pretty nice, the second is very good! The material that follows by Matty Malnock and the first Rampart Street Paraders date are fine, too - much better I think than the Dorsey material. Eddie Miller on tenor is pretty good - I have positive memories of him from the Classic Capitol Mosaic set, too. And Abe Lincoln on trombone isn't bad, either - he's great opening up "Sheik of Araby"!

Playing the Condon Mob right now. Disc one with the Bud Freeman & George Wettling dates are terrific (dig Cozy Cole! Hellyeah!) But disc two is a pretty lame Dorseylandbanddixieland schtick... makes me want to reach for the Blue Note dates with Sydney De Paris, James P. and Dickenson! Looking forward to discs 3 etc. now... the only one I played right when I got the set was disc eight - with the two Wild Bill w/strings tracks - too bad the Arbors disc of the two albums is gone! these two cuts are terrific! - and the whole Lee Wiley stuff (all three of her 1950/51 Columbia 10 inch albums).

Of course it's good! But the selection was made from a rather limited number of discs, which does show, somewhat...

You're quite right with your name-dropping... but the difficulty is to attach the right names to the wrong tunes... Also the theme is quite obvious by now, MG of course found out, but he's the expert anyway, it's almost a bit of an embarassment that I embarked for this with him in the audience, who could have done it much better and made picks for a gazillion of discs and tapes... Anyway, I'm on vacation from July 1-16. I'll have the notebook with me but since I'm always sceptical, I'll make sure to post the replies on June 30st, just in case I can't really go online in Vienna... But of course any contributions are still welcome after that and in fact if I can go online, I'll try and post some replies to comments as well, even if the answers will be up by then.

Not BoB indeed - a lovely album I lifted this from (needle drop, but it's out on CD, too). I just love this kind of lose slightly polyphonic ensemble playing! You're correct there Stone classic stuff, I love the tenor a lot here! Correct again, of course! Not the same player, though... rather the great alto again (he's not present on #8 - that's another good alto player there...) Not Dyani, sorry. This is an overdubbed solo performance, by the way - I haven't stated this before, but maybe someone gets the idea now? Makes it all the more awesome to know this was done by just one crazy guy! He can be heard in ensembles on disc 2, by the way...

Thanks a lot, John! Time for my reactions, now... I have no clue about the editorial history of this - took it from a CD, but it's badly documented as usual with this stuff... it's from the late 50s, by the way. It's not Weston of course... but they both took their clues from the same group of people, I guess... The altoist is what makes this special, of course... he's one of the recurring musicians on this test, a great, great musician that is much too little known... This is historical material again (#1-3 are), I think never before released until when the CD I took it from came out in the 90s. Formative years... the trumpet player got quite far (everybody, actually), but here his grasp definitely outreaches his technical abilities - yet still I love that moment where he clearly loses it... I love this one! Lifted it off a compilation and it's all I have by this tenor sax player and in fact this group of musicians - have the disc on spcecial order for two months now, but with no luck... it's neither Randy nor Dollar here - but we'll get to "African Sun" farther down the line, of course, as you shall have noticed by now Fantastic alto, sure... you ought to know this! Hmmm, I liked this better than you, obviously - as far as I know (and as far as the crappy documentation on the CD goes), this is a piano - same for a few other tracks on my compilation...

Just making sure since I haven't heard back: you did get the links, yes? Hope you were able to download!

The one on the right looks like one of those fold-ups they did - pity I never bought any used vinyl of such releases when I had the chance!

Coe, Oxley & Co - Nutty (Hat Art 6064, 1983)

It's just one of the three "Go" sessions that was done the same day as the "Cannonball Adderly Quintet in Chicago" (aka "Cannonball & Coltrane"), but still it's indeed pretty much beyond grasp to do all that in one day! Now I'm getting towards the end of the Strozier dates - very fine sessions! Little and Strozier are much in the centre of attention here, but the great rhythm section of Kelly-Chambers-Cobb gives them a tremendous lift! Will take a detour to play the Strozier stuff I have now, instead of continuing with discs 5 & 6 (those trio dates again have a bit too many alternates... but this doesn't bother me much with the Strozier material, by the way!)

Ubu -- Not sure if by "what a title" you meant that "March of the Siamese Children" was an excellent track (it sure is) or an odd title for a piece, but at the risk of explaining something that you already know, if you meant that it was an odd title, "March of the Siamese Children" is from Rodgers & Hammerstein's musical "The King and I," where it accompanies the entry of the King of Siam's children, therefore it's not an odd title at all. Lawrence Kart Larry, I missed this post of yours back then (or ignored to answer) - anyway, better late than never: thanks for the explanation! (I indeed thought the tune had an odd title - didn't check on the composers and background then... but hey, I was more than four years younger than!)

Ha, I almost wanted to start a thread about Frank Strozier... good thing I didn't rely on my lousy memory and did search before.... I was playing discs 1 & 2 of the Chambers/Kelly Vee Jay Mosaic and then decided (rather than continuing with the Morgan/Shorter, after the great "Kelly Great" album was finished) to take the turn via Strozier... dug out the few discs I have and decided to play them again. Right now I'm halfway through the two sessions on the Mosaic ("Fantastic Frank Strozier") - fantastic playing by Booker Little! And of course there's hardly another rhythm section swinging so hardly and yet effortlessly than the Kelly-Chambers-Cobb unit! The discs I have are: the first is part of the Mosaic but also available on a shorter, single-disc version, the third is a twofer, combining two very fine albums, "Long Night" and "March of the Siamese Children", both originally on Jazzland. (This is definitely a Fantasy CD to look for before it's too late!) I'll get around playing the "Young Lions" album (from the Morgan/Shorter Vee Jay Mosaic) later, too, hopefully! That and Roy Haynes' "Cymbalism" (another OJC to look for, also the Haynes one with Booker Ervin!) completes what I have of Strozier's, so far. How about the other MJT discs, are they still around? Also I guess I ought to look for the Booker Ervin OJC with Strozier ("Exultation"), right? Then what about the 1964 Roy Haynes Pacific Jazz album "People"? I never even heard of of this one, just saw it in the discography now! And the "Boss Sounds" by Shelly Manne? Wow, so many things and that was one of those other short-lived Koch CDs, too... (at least a - presumably crappy-looking as usual - Collectables version was also released, I assume that one's much easier to find) I have the "Navy Swings" by Shelly Manne, by the way, but that's the only one of Strozier with Manne I have, so far... not a great but, but some fine moments there, still. Man, these discographies are pure evil! At least it reminded me also of Strozier being present on Woody Shaw's fine "Little Red's Fantasy" - another one to dig up and listen! The discography mentioned above by Mike is here: http://www.attictoys.com/jazz/FS_intro.html

Can't send them any more $$ than I do or I go broke! Funny: last set that arrived (on Monday) a neighbour picked up and even paid the custom taxes for me so I didn't have to fetch it at the post office, very kind - anyway, he asked me what I'd ordered, something "complete", and I said yeah, Max Roach, so he said, ah that big black box one, I got that, too... seems this place must have just about the highest density of Mosaic customers... ;-)

On to "Kelly Great" - wow! Philly Joe is smokin' it up here! Lee Morgan does kind of a Miles imitation, it seems, but after a few bars (talking #2 now) his sound gets harder and fuller and gets a brilliance (although it's muted) that Miles would have never gotten around that time ('59). Shorter is great as well - very distinctive from all the other tenors of that time (but then I think that's what made him the stand-out musician he still is...)

Thanks, funny enough that was the one I was able to order (from them, of course, a few days ago), and yesterday it already arrived!

Bumping this thread up and bringing it back on topic, too... I felt like playing the Chambers parts of this set this morning, and by now I'm into the album with Lateef, Fuller & Tommy Turrentine at the end of disc 2, "1st Bassman" - excellent! Lateef just kills! As for the first album ("Go"), there are three sessions, almost two discs full (the album with Lateef is very short, just half an hour) and indeed they could have omitted a few of the alternates. Cannonball is nice (I like him a lot), but Hubbard doesn't do that much for me here... strange thing and definitely opposing general opinions, I find Tommy Turrentine's solos on the "1st Bassman" album to be of quite a bit more interest!

Paul Chambers/Wynton Kelly Vee Jay, just about to proceed from disc 1 to disc 2

Interesting thread, Nate - I'm not nearly as proficient in talking about music, but I tried to post short reviews of some Potlatch discs, including the Rives solo disc you mention, on my blog: the reviews: http://ubu-space.blogspot.com/2007/06/potl...-2007-sale.html the sound samples: http://ubu-space.blogspot.com/2007/06/potl...sale-order.html I think I quite exactly know what you mean with "difficult music", and I think I agree that it's not all in the ear of the behearer. Take for instance John Butcher (I'm hardly familiar with him by now, but I'm impressed by him as an instrumentalist very, very much) - his music is so extremely nuanced and controlled, and I sense there's something of importance, yet I can't actually say I play the discs of his I have very often - yet I have an urge to play them now and then, nevertheless, and as time goes by maybe I start to get a better understanding of the music... To me, this most often applies to improv, less so to any kind of jazz, but then Mark Turner (I have his ballads album and that one's a nice one, showing all his Warne Marsh influence and his difference from all the other same age tenors) or maybe Kurt Rosenwinkel (leaves me totally cold, sorry) aren't the kind of musicians I listen all that often. Their music is too cold (and academic, too?) for my liking, just doesn't give me a lot, and there I frankly don't think there's much I'm missing... I don't get that feeling of "importance" (which is probably indeed subjective, but there has to be something in the music, inside, that makes me react that way, still).

what's wrong with this edition? http://www.magnebit.com/vsoprecords/vsop/vsop25.htm ok, I posted before reading... sound issues then - will have to play it again to judje myself, can't remember how it sounded...