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Nelson Mandela and I share a favourite poet. This is from one poem he read partly out loud in 1994 when they had the first democratically elected parliament and he called her Afrikaner ànd Afrikaan. "The child is not dead. The child lifts his fists against his mother who shouts Afrika!" .......... "The child is the dark shadow of the soldiers on guard with rifles Saracens and batons; the child is present at all assemblies and law-givings the child peers through the windows of houses and into the hearts of mothers." "This child who just wanted to play in the sun at Nyanga is everywhere. The child grown to a man treks through all Africa. The child grown into a giant journeys through the whole world. Without a pass." from "Die Kind" - "The child is not dead" by Ingrid Jonker RIP Nelson Mandela Here you can listen to him reading part of the poem. ( I chose to post some he read and some of what he left out)

Yes, that is possible. I don't know whether it is due to not speaking a shared language or dialect though, but who knows? I still believe what I said was correct, even when something might be official, it needn't be looked at that way in the general opinion. I didn't even stated that it was that. I just said "not every one..." and that was just what it was. This said however, I am really sorry if I did offend someone with my comment since I didn't mean it in any negative way; but if it was felt as such I do want to apologize for that. Friesland is a beautiful part of the Netherlands. My family has lived there for some time too, so I know some.

Well, I'm sorry for getting into this. I just expressed a feeling and that was what I said when you read my reply, didn't mean to offend anyone or state a fact. I have a natural love for language ánd dialects, so my reaction was just spontaneous. Etherbored, I think that too about regions, It is fun to discover things about a language that way.

Really? That's nice. Not eveyone would call it a language, more a dialect. We have quite a few of those. On another forum I wrote about the different ways the "r" can be pronounced. This is due to geografics but also to social influence. I find these things fun to learn and get to know about.

I think you mean Johan. Think it got mistranslated as Jan over here. Just checked one of my old 17thC history text books and it definitely says Jan. There's a great name for a rock'n roll band there - Jan van Oldenbarnevelt and the Stadtholders. Though I always liked the idea of a Czech punk band calling itself The Defenestrators. It is "Johan" which probably comes from "Johannes" and could be shortened as well as "Hans". It is still a name that is been used. Yes, great name. I would name the sidemen "de Stadhouders" in that case. I once was part in a band that was called "Lemon juice vs the Radicals" if I would translate it. Some rock'n roll but also rock, before you ask. I will have to look up that last name, since I have no clue what it means.

Well, yeah I know, I was just trying to keep it short.

I understand seeline. You'll have to be taught right. My concern is that there is a group among the young people here nowadays, which can't really handle money and get into trouble because of that with debts. For a long time it has been easy for them to get loans or buy on credit cards while they couldn't really afford it. It is tough to get out of a situation like that. Right now times are rough, lots of people loose their jobs and might not be able to get another one. This week was on the news that 1 out of 8 children lives in poverty in our country. That is a lot. I think you mean Johan. And De Witt.That's our history yes, The time of the Republic of the 7 United Netherlands. We have a kingdom for 200 years now, celebrations started this week. We might drift away a bit too far from the original subject going into this though. My fault, I brought in the arithmatics.

Ah sorry, I still have some of that teaching in me, so the explaining sort of comes natural since I basically just want to help. Not everyone is happy with it of course, and I can't blame them. It can be annoying. I'm not as bad as I used to be though, lol. Indeed. That was where we went window shopping (records were nearly twice the price they were in England at that time). Not sure that is still the case. When you would see our prices for petrol!

Ah, near Mönchengladbach I see! German TV still dubs eveything I think.

So he was stationed in Laarbruch?

Yes, that is right. Friesland is in the north, opposite of (Noord) Holland. Utrecht is in the middle. I didn't know you studied art. That's nice. So you know all about Johannes Vermeer, Frans Hals en Jan Steen! I've always liked Rembrandt's light myself. Do you have a favourite painter from that time? Speaking of losing knowledge. I was in a store and asked for the price of something and the girl in the store said: "Oh, that one has a discount of 60 percent." She couldn't tell me the price though. The girl at the cash register said that she was happy she didn't have to count back when she had to give change as the machine counted for her. I think they were both around 18. Arithmatics is only taught in primary school, so they loose it quickly if they don't train it anymore. Too bad. I don't have a single favorite painter from that time - they were all great at different things (Rembrandt, Vermeer, Hals and Steen). I am a big fan of Dutch 17th c. landscape and seascape paintings - the light and clouds in the best are amazing! - as well as some of the better painters of still life, genre scenes and church interiors. (I love architecture.) There are just so many painters from that time - the art market exploded as the Netherlands got wealthy from trade. All that said, Rembrandt is probably my favorite of all of them - for his prints and drawings as much as for his paintings. A friend of mine married a guy from Friesland, which is partly how I know about that, and Utrecht... well, we even have an art materials company over here called Utrecht. (Believe it or not.) * I have never been good at mental arithmetic and to be honest, computerized cash registers worked for me, back when I was in retail! Well if you like cycling you'll get a good look at Utrecht at the start of the Tour de France in 2015. They start there in the capital city. Utrecht city has canals like Amsterdam, only fewer. I can tell you a funny thing. A friend of mine from Alaska is a painter and he uses the Dutch oil paint. I don't know whether he has the one that is still made in one of our windmills because they still make it, but I kind of like that idea. My friend makes seascapes mostly. The cash registers are handy but I was kind of startled by the idea that they might not have a clue how to get to the right amount for payment when there is a discount. I did tell her how she could get to the number, but anyway...

Yes, that is right. Friesland is in the north, opposite of (Noord) Holland. Utrecht is in the middle. I didn't know you studied art. That's nice. So you know all about Johannes Vermeer, Frans Hals en Jan Steen! I've always liked Rembrandt's light myself. Do you have a favourite painter from that time? Speaking of losing knowledge. I was in a store and asked for the price of something and the girl in the store said: "Oh, that one has a discount of 60 percent." She couldn't tell me the price though. The girl at the cash register said that she was happy she didn't have to count back when she had to give change as the machine counted for her. I think they were both around 18. Arithmatics is only taught in primary school, so they loose it quickly if they don't train it anymore. Too bad.

Sorry, I completely overlooked your post. It is odd how quickly you can forget isn't it? Teaching topographics was among my tasks when I was teaching. My knowledge seems to have become somewhat rusty in that area now. Not in the counties of Holland of course, but beyond I have forgotten a lot. It seems like playing an instrument, you'll have to keep practising or the skill will flow away.

No one trying yet, maybe we should make it mutiple choice?? I don't think anyone is interested in Dutch geography Well, that is their loss then.

No one trying yet, maybe we should make it mutiple choice??

I really like these: Agua de Marcho - in duet with Jobim, such fun they have singing this together. Such an honour too to be able to sing with the composer himself I would imagine, but he sure is having fun too! One of my favourite songs. I can sing it in English, not yet in Portuguese. The lyrics are far more beautiful in its origin though and I mean that first for the actually meaning, since the translation is kind of shalow compared to it. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=o+cantador+elis+regina&sm=1 O Cantador - Elis Regina some of the real meaning: "A singer does not choose her song. She sings what the world wants to hear, and the world that hears my song is pain; is strengthened against the fear of death, so that for all who hear my voice, it is dispelled." music: Dori Caymmi, lyrics: Nelson Motta

Hi Jim, That is a lot of work. I do understand it is tough to tell. I had put up a question in the field where you can state what is on your mind since I couldn't ask anyone directly, but no one noticed that. I àm happy I got in after all and thankful to my fellow member who helped. regards, page

Ah, I would have, but I just looked for the ones who weren't mentioned yet.

I think I wouldn't have been able to get in if it wasn't for some help from another member who asked for me after 6 weeks validating. If you don't know anyone else on the forum, you are not able to ask why you aren't accepted. I think there was a question about Miles. I had to answer 3 I think. I do know it is a tough job going through all the registrations, a lot of work.

Not just a spammer, he is urging to fraud.

Happy Birthday!

Happy Birthday!

Ah, I will have to put them on my wish list. I understand what you mean to say about phrasing. Last year I heard Eliane Elias live and somehow I was disappointed since the way she sang in English was not at all what I had expected. Maybe it was due to that she didn't perform with a combo but as a duo with her husband on bass. Anyway the only song I really liked was the song from her last album at the time where she sang in her own language. She seemed to sound far more 'free' on that one. She did mainly standards. Now I have a few of her albums and there I didn't notice anything odd with her English, maybe my expectations were just far too high. I don't know.

Maybe I should explain that he means that when musicians are showing off towards/against each other, to show who's best or better in playing. He himself participates doing that too and at a session he goes it often happens.

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