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#1 - The rule is uniform throughout MLB (and probably minor league ball as well). #2- That rule was not violated, as the ball in question was already over they outfield wall, and therefore no longer "in play" in terms of potential interference. The fielder can rob the hitter of the home run, but the point that it is already a home run means that a fan can not rob the fielder of an out. #3 - If Giants management ejected a fan for catching a ball that was already over the outfield wall, for an action that was in no way a violation of anybody's rule, they would get sued. #4 -"In play" and "a player has a legit shot at it" are two totally different things. Once the ball breaks the vertical plane of the fence/wall/etc., fair or foul, the fan has as much right to the ball as does the player. No exceptions. Obviously depth perception is hard. We need youtube 3D! *Edit - And for the record when I first saw it I screamed (internally) "INTERFERENCE" as depth perception is hard sometimes (plus I root for the 2018 AL West champion Seattle Mariners). But Jim explained it and it made sense. That gif does not show the full view that was seen on TV (the reality of which has since been repeatedly explained, and thank you for having normal-or-better comprehension skills ). It really was nothing controversial at all, just a dazzling play by The Keeper (as far as that type of thing goes...). But here the deal: Guys routinely leap up and grab balls which are over the fence for an out. Hence, robbing the batter of a HR. So the idea that a ball over the fence is an automatic HR just plain isn't so.That was my point. The Giants eject anybody who interferes with the players ability to catch the ball. Never heard of a lawsuit. A ball caught over the fence is an out. Texas is an anomaly with the two fences on either side of a gap. I think that is an unfair advantage for the home team if this fan is allowed to alter the course of the game. That is not in the spirit of the rules. To wit: It's not an "automatic home run", it's only a home run if the fielder doesn't catch it. But the fielder has no "right" to the ball if it's over the fence in the air, as this one was. The same rule applies to foul balls. The exact, same rule. As far as TBIA (I'm showing my age, I think it's now called RBIA), being an "anomaly", that I can't say. But there have been plenty of stadiums where fences have been moved in and a similar gap exists. Whether or not they have berms behind them that fans can access, I don't know. There is no standard design to a ballpark, so hey. But the bottom line is this - it doesn't matter. Any ball that breaks the vertical plane of the fence is fair game for fan or player. It doesn't matter if there is a gap or not, that has nothing to do with the ball breaking the vertical plane of the outfield wall. That ball would have done that regardless of that gap. If the gap wasn't there and The Keeper still gets the ball, it's still a home run. This is a pretty basic rule, and there's an established procedure in place for umpires to use instant replay to determine if there was interference or not. If the Giants eject somebody for not breaking any rule, then they are not to be trusted as a law-abiding organization. Who's that mall mobster who owned the 49-ers? DiBartolo? Maybe his people done got in it now and laws and rules are for other people. Otherwise, if your ballpark has all fences, in fair and foul territory constructed in such a way that there will never be an occasion for a fan to catch a ball that is rightfully his or hers without there being a sweaty dude (or perhaps someday, a dudette) bearing down towards said fan's paid for stadium space, then I don't care how many Chevron cars, gigantic Coke bottles, or puffy-cute gloves there are to look at, that is a baseball park that is just a TV screen from the 22nd century or some such. I'm calling Truth AND Fact on the rules (because it is so) and bullshit on the notion that ATT would eject a fan for breaking no rule whatsumever.

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#1 - The rule is uniform throughout MLB (and probably minor league ball as well). #2- That rule was not violated, as the ball in question was already over they outfield wall, and therefore no longer "in play" in terms of potential interference. The fielder can rob the hitter of the home run, but the point that it is already a home run means that a fan can not rob the fielder of an out. #3 - If Giants management ejected a fan for catching a ball that was already over the outfield wall, for an action that was in no way a violation of anybody's rule, they would get sued. #4 -"In play" and "a player has a legit shot at it" are two totally different things. Once the ball breaks the vertical plane of the fence/wall/etc., fair or foul, the fan has as much right to the ball as does the player. No exceptions. Obviously depth perception is hard. We need youtube 3D! *Edit - And for the record when I first saw it I screamed (internally) "INTERFERENCE" as depth perception is hard sometimes (plus I root for the 2018 AL West champion Seattle Mariners). But Jim explained it and it made sense. That gif does not show the full view that was seen on TV (the reality of which has since been repeatedly explained, and thank you for having normal-or-better comprehension skills ). It really was nothing controversial at all, just a dazzling play by The Keeper (as far as that type of thing goes...).

One of the game's greats is in the on-deck circle for the at-bat of his life. Detail here: http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/9198218/dying-hurting-real-bad

I'm with you on this one. Not if he interfers with the play. At ATT, he would have been tossed. Ok, please pay attention - At TBIA, there is an outfield wall (aka "the fence"). Behind the wall, there is a gap of several feet, then there is a wall that contains the seating, including Greene's Hill. There is a fence up around this seating area as well. The gap is clearly defined as being "over the fence" aka "out of the park" aka not in the field of play. This gap is considered fair game for fan and player alike. That gap is not particularly visible in the gif posted here, but it is visible once you know to look for it. It's pretty common knowledge for anybody who knows TBIA (and has been pointed out in previous discussion here). If the ball clearly/cleanly clears the outfield wall (aka "the fence") in fair territory, as it did here, and is not caught be a defender, as it was not, it is considered a home run. Period. The only way to call "fan interference" is if a fan reaches over the fence and interferes with a ball still in the field of play. This ball was over the outfield fence but not yet in the fan seating area. It was not still in the field of play. If it had not been caught at all, it would still have been a home run. It would have hit concrete and then bounced around like balls do when they hit concrete. Ask yourself this - a manager (maybe even a player?) can ask for an umpire video review to see if there was fan interference or not. It's the ump's final call as to whether or not to go ahead and review, but believe me, if anybody in a Seattle uniform would have had even the slightest notion that the ball was still in play when The Keeper kept it, there would have been a ruckus. And there was none. Maybe a whimper of pain or two, but no ruckus. It was a clear, clean home run, and equally clearly and cleanly, there was not even a wisp of fan interference on the play. It's no different than a foul ball hit into the stands. A fan cannot reach into the field of play to grab a foul ball, but once it crosses over whatever wall or other boundary (visible or projected) separates the field of play from everything else, a fan can do any damn thing they want to, including facilitating the prevention of a catch by a defender. Totally legal, totally legit, and dumbass fans have gotten booed for getting out of the way of an opponent's defender to let them reach up into the stands to catch a foul ball (and for not getting out of the way of the home team's defender). They have no obligation to do any such thing, and a smart fan will do their part to help their team. It's the rules. So if you're telling me that a fan would be tossed from ATT for doing nothing even remotely inappropriate, for not breaking any rule whatsoever, you are telling me that ATT is run by jack-booted thugs who make their own rules as and when they see fit. Is that what you're telling me?

Might well be the same anecdote. I've not seen Saturday Review for 30-40 years now...

I do remember something in the old Saturday Review about Richard Davis & Roy Eldridge listening to Trane at either the Vanguard or the Five Spot & Roy said (paraphrasing from memory), "you know, Richard, I don't know if I can get to where Trane is going" and Richard replying (again, paraphrasing from memory), "well, Roy, I don't think that Trane's waiting for you". And then Roy bristled, or some such. That's one of my favorite Jazz Words To Live By, along with Cecil Taylor commenting on how 75% of his audience leaves before the gig is half over by saying "Screw 'em. I play for the 25% that stays".

He's a kid having fun who made a totally legit play. The rules are clear - unambiguous - on that. The outfielder was just pissed that in a battle on neutral territory, he lost. I don't blame him for that, but hey. Fair fight, and you lost this time. Next time, perhaps. They say that A.J. Pierzynsky is a douchebag, and he might be. But now he's our douchebag, and all is well. He's a douchebag who can hit well and, so far, handle a staff better than most. Douchebag away, A.J.! Not knowing Trent Williams personally, I have no way of knowing if he is a douchebag or not. If the worst he does is grab home run balls, and then dance, I think I can let that slide. If he's still doing it when he's 28, then we can talk. But for now, hey, baseball is fun for Trent Williams, and good for him. They PSY thing at the end was unfortunate, but I say that every time and everywhere I see it, which is getting to be more places than not. Gundam Style is not my cuppa douche.

I think he's 18 now, so yeah, probably still in high school. Trent Williams, aka Greene's Hill Kid, aka The Keeper of Greene's Hill aka The Keeper. We got him in the outfield and in the bowl behind home plate we got Sister Frances, who bangs a drum very loudly all night long. Accidentally sat right in front of her at one game last year...children were frightened, and there mothers were annoyed, but me, I felt like I was experiencing history. http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/bittersweet-season-for-special-Rangers-fan-131632348.html Hey, I'm old enough to remember Zonk...

Yeah, in that clip, you might not see the gap. But it is there. It's big enough for people to walk around in, same type of gap that was in left field (only a lot higher) that the fan fell into and died. No interference, though, none at all. No need to do anything except look at it or not. Either way, home run, Rangers! He's a high school kid, that guy is,, and he now has a nickname - The Keeper. A.J. thanked him in the post-game interview, actually. I can see where he could be annoying to some, but to me it's far better he be just some kid with a gimmick than some really retardedass song like "Build Me Up Buttercup" or "Sweet Caroline" or "Cotton Eyed Joe". Talk about things that should be banned for life (ours and those of succeeding generations as well, into perpetuity) from every major and minor league park...

Why? There's a green area that is open to fans to go after balls that get hit there, and he never left that area. .More importantly. there's a gap between the field wall and the fan fence that is fair game for both fan and player. It's anybody's ball when it goes in there, and in this case, it was the fan's ball. The ball was over the field wall, so no interference. Totally legit per the ground rules. Totally legit.

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Oh, we're doing #1s as well? Looks like I was born into a world full-thrusting into the embrace of a country-jazz fusion, as well as a recognition-that The Man would always find a way to fuck you over.

It's actually Blakey's record, but it's Lee's tune "Calling Miss Khadija".

Crackling! Same band, plenty of light, but no shadows (although a certainly red jacket). But are we all on the same page here, band? I think we are! I hope that one chick lived happily ever after and didn't fuck her life up. The rest of them, god only knows (and/or cares).

Both folks had AG played at their funerals, and it is proudly inscribed on their tombstone.That was one non-German song that my Dad could get with, albeit more so as he aged. I was raised - and had it instilled in some pretty rigorous confirmation classes - that salvation was by grace and grace alone. Justified by faith. But yeah, you to keep up your end of the deal, because Once Saved Always Saved was not a Lutheran construct. That was for Baptists and other people (like Willie Nelson) looking for any old easy excuse to feel good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQciVxq6Q6k Sum greater than parts. Shadows greater than light (or so it seems). Art Farmer greater than usual.

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Wednesday here as well. Always the moderate with the outlook, smack dab in the middle, seeing both sides in equal portion. Wednesday RULZ!

Great story. As for the hymns, I was raised Missouri Synod Lutheran, and their hymnal was full of these decidedly..."German" songs of worship. Dad like nothing else, and Mom liked them well enough, although growing up as a Methodist in the South, she was not unfamiliar with a more, shall we say, syncopated approach. But she adapted. I guess at some point the MS changed their hymnal and got rid of a lot of those old songs in favor of more/more broadly known hymns of American origin. The old man was livid! "I don't see why they even call it Tehran anymore: he'd grumble. And just last week, I was discussing funeral music with a young MS pastor, and he said, "these days we use the same songs as everybody........but we still get a few requests for the old German songs..." He said it with an air of bemusement, like somebody still having an antenna to get TV or someting, but I LOL'ed because I knew JUST the type of person he was talking about! Anyway, yeah, Willie...you get into Central Texas and there's been a lot of German/Czech/Polish immigrants there over the years, and that, too affects the music (and everything else). It can claim parenthood to Conjunto, and all the Western Swing guys I know can play a polka just as well as they can anything else (and a lot of those guys can play everything really well...it's scary sometimes...). That's a part of Willie's musical lineage too. Like the Schottische? Here ya' go!

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