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I would beg to differ about it never made a difference to anything...a 25 year old hooker and a 25 year old "selective screwer" are likely to have distinctively different outlooks on life, all the more so by the time they're 35. Anybody here want their daughter to become a prostitute? Or to sell their virginity to some stranger for 780 K as part of a film that's a "sociological experiment". "Yeah baby girl, put that ass up for bid, no big deal, and we COULD use the money. Besides, you'll be a STAR!!!" We gonna have that conversation with our daughters? Didn't think so.

Yeah, that was my extrapolation as well, just wondering if there was some sort of "school" that used the term as a formal signifier or some such.

Please explain what that term means?

Detroit is looking just a little off. I'd expect them to come alive eventually, but the Giants are looking already locked in so....another year of frustration for the uber-catty Jackie Autry, to which I can only say, "Oh well!"

My daughter claims she tried to get me to look at this four months ago. I don't recall. If she did, she probably led with "K-Pop" and lost me right there. But yes, this is funny, and supposedly a satire of supposedly he "Beverly Hills of Korea", or so she says. But she also says that it's known in her circles as "Baby's First K-Pop", like everybody (meaning "Westerners") is AMAZED that there this Korean Pop music (I know you're not, Rod, hell, you know every music that has ever been made, even the stuff that's not there to be heard!) which I thought was pretty funny, even though I myself have nothing to laugh about in that regard. I do know, though, Mnet is the only Asian station we can get now on Time Warner now without getting some kind of special package (which is a drag, because we used to get both ZeeTV & TV Asia as part of the basic package + ImaginAsain which is no longer available at all, BIG drag, that, as the programming there was often aimed towards first generation English-speaking children of immigrants, which is a TOTALLY different perspective, kinda like New School Old School, very interesting), and Mnet is pretty much 24/7 K-Pop in some form or fashion, so it's like, it's there if you want it, but I'll just let my daughter show me videos from now on, and hope for mostly J-Pop (which is quite often enjoyably quirky) instead of K-Pop (which is pounding in a way that is not fun to me). Either that or wait for them to show up on Organissimo.

Maybe it was jazz that helped those songs to get popular for so long, rather than the other way around. Nah, couldn't be.

I like that one two. It speaks to me of simply and honestly gotten 15 cent hard-boiled eggs, not $780,00.00 bought p***y.

No, I like that. It looks the same with my glasses off as it does with them on!

Or to put it one more another way - I don't/can't completely hate on all those Cornball White People who imposed their will, because, hey, that's a part of who we all are, like it or not, drinks for the scars that will never heal for the house not withstanding. A lot of it worked in the end, although perhaps or perhaps not as "fairly" as would have been nice. Life is not fair. But I don't really feel a need to hang on to any of it too tightly. It's where we've been, not necessarily where we want to go or where we would go if we could just find a way (and jeez, don't blame people for trying. If anything, encourage them). It for damn sure isn't where we would choose to go if we had it to do over again. But again, life is not fair. I mean, I know people who dig the Confederate flag because they swear it's a symbol of "Southern Pride". Well, ok, yeah, if you say so, but...of all thing things to hold on to, that's probably not the one that'll move you past where you already are, if in fact you want to. Whether or not you'll need to, is another question not to be asked by me, but to those who would resit, yo, guess what? Life is not fair. So it is with the Great American Songbook. George Gershwin does not equate to Robert E. Lee, nor Jerome Kern to Stonewall Jackson, but - when the point is reached where "appreciation" of the past becomes Oh Well, Everything's Fucked Now Because It's Not Like It Used To Be, We Had It Right Then & Everything & Everybody Was Better Off Because We Did, then we DO have a problem, and exiting as gracefully and/or quickly (whichever comes first) out of that crap is definitely the preferred option in my book, which will be called Life Is NOT Fair.

Just rub a banana on it.

What does this mean? DRM? OwnsMyOwnStuff • 3 days ago I strip out all the DRM from ebooks I buy, since I own them. DRM = Digital Right Management...didn't they try to put this on CDs a few years ago but quit when everybody raised hell becuase it was proven to impact purity of sound? As far as how to strip it out, apparently "Aprentice Alf's blog" is the answer to that question.

All of which is just to say that I'm not nearly as ....distressed at the "demise" of the "Great" "American" "Songbook" as some. There just might be Pathways To Unknown Worlds available, and I'm, shall we say, not automatically opposed to that.

Just people who need Gershwin in order to justify Bird in their own heads. How many of those there are, I have no idea, but at least one of them is Masket Daddying for The Atlantic, so I'm sure there's more than just him. :crazy: :crazy: says Beat Down magazine!!! Let's play this game - what would Black American Music be without Cornball White People imposing their will? What's that you say? There might not even be a Black America to make Black American Music without Cornball White People imposing their will? Or for that matter, would there even be an America As We Know It without Cornball White People Imposing their will (aka White Man Got A God Complex)? The Devil you say!

Maybe should be a thread for Album Covers That Make You Say 'UH-oh', but....close enough.

Not unlike having to change the region on your computer's DVD player to play certain non-US DVDs? And only (supposedly) being able to do that a limited/fixed # of times? Don't mess with it myself, send it to some Young Geeks who convert it in mysterious ways that I don't have time to understand. Wondering if the Kindle thing is an actual tech difference, or just an accounting one.

I think I might accidentally be at or near complete with Abbey Lincoln?

Or, maybe, not even hear them because they're you know...not what we have in mind.

Or as I once said - and was beat all around the head for so doing - Songs? Still? Really? to which let's add: Jazz? Still? Really? Dead? Still? Really? Articles about Song/Jazz/Dead? Still? Really? Funeral Home Pimping. all of it! Now that Your Loved One has done died and gone, let US meet your needs in Your Hour Of Need. We'll write all the articles you need with the "personal touch" that only WE can provide. Mack Daddy, meet Casket Mack Daddy. Masket Daddy!

Yes, because saxophones, like drum machines, just sit there and play themselves! I mean, really, this article, and others like it, that take down The Jazz Ship with the GAS Ship, remind me of Jim Jones on the PA at Jonestown saying Mother Mother, lay down with your babies and stuff like that. You ever hear that, the real tapes from the real Jonestown? It's creepy, it's misdirection away from Alternate Means Of Survival, and dammit, it's Funeral Home Pimping. Somebody here once asked why so much the urgency/need to see a jazz/hip-hop fusion, and well, it's not really that that's what is wanted nearly as much as it is that yeah, a lot has changed There, but a lot hasn't, and just as much of a lot There still matters as a way to not put on the Smiling Slave Suit Of The Mind and getting on the Never Will Be Anybody But Somebody Else Ship, a ship that is already sunk and only sets sail to Further Sunkeness (but I'll be damned if they're not booked solid and keep making more to accommodate the demand), so STFU Jim Jones, ya' know what I'm sayin'?

I like a "good song" as much as anybody, but...what does that mean, really, in a non-totally-subjective way? Sure, we've come to know "songs" as more or less being one general "thing", but how much of that thing was formed by a confluence of technology with convenience with capturing an audience with both and then keeping them because both were manifesting itself in ways that were both utilitarian and entertaining/uplifting/whatever, and how much of that was because the 32-Bar Popular Song was God's Master Plan? And what happens when (rhetorical question, b/c it's already happened) that confluence no longer really "works" in that way, and "songs" begin to form as different "things" than before? Should we weepy waily gnash our teeth about The Death Of Song, or should we maybe take a look at the difference between the "song impulse" and the chrono-cultural-specific manifestations of it and how Now might not be Then no more, but no sweat really, because It still be It? Or is that just too damn hard and/or inconvenient, especially for industries ("songs" and "jazz" both) built on preserving themselves more or less As Is?

If I read this guy right, he's saying that jazz is over as new because the "Great American songbook" is over as new: Uh, maybe that's not why. Maybe that's like saying that automobiles are over because they don't make Oldsmobiles anymore - it's only true if you think of cars in terms of Oldsmobiles, and only want to have a car if it's an Oldsmobile. And it's horribly, horribly insulting to the people who really understand what makes cars run and have found different ways to make them and things for them to do.Never mind the people who have a solid grasp on the need for mechanized transportation and all the different possibilities and implications thereof, not limited to cars. Fortunately for cars, there's more people more into cars than are into just Oldsmobiles. And fortunately for transportation, there are plenty of people who are willing to use different methods to get from Point A to Point B, and to delight in new methods as they become available. Unfortunately (or maybe not!) for jazz, there's more people who are into Oldsmobiles than there are into cars. I love it how when people are unwilling to change/grow/evolve/whatever that it's always change's fault and not theirs. And how the changes always happen anyway. Now there's A Timeless Classic for ya'!

It's just another chapter in the Culture Of Celebrity, which in turn is just another chapter in the Monetization Of Everything Human. Once everything has a price, there is nothing that is ever safely/unquestionably yours, including your body, your mind, or, if you believe in such things, your could/spirit/whatever you care to call it. And then, callers come a-callin', businessfolk come a-businessfolkin', plunderers come a-plunderin', and their work is made so much easier by the notion that, hey, why not, it's a good deal! Some things you sell, you can get them back. Other things, not so much. When that ceases to be a consideration... World gone wrong. And getting wronger.

Big Bad John Big John Patton General George S. Patton

Creepy, that's what it is.