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I think it's the Rockland date that's at least a half-step high...some others too, but that one I'm almost 100% sure about. I've got it on Everest and it bugs the hell out of me!

Has any pitch correction been done on the stuff that needs it? (mostly the Bird live stuff, iirc)

You need an exact number, or are you betting the Over/Under?

Because Chronological (sp?) Classics works with and presents a clear concept - to present all the master takes of a given artist within a specified timeframe, in recording order. They'll dig up some arcane shit to make sure that they deliver the concept, too. They go to some effort to present something that is uniquely theirs, and I think they do with the Public Domain what was meant to be done. This other stuff, otoh, is just....tawdry. Imagine if I burnt you copies of 5 or 6 CDs by your favorite artist, cobbled together some cheap composite shot of the covers, and gave you some even-cheaper page with rudimentary discographical details. If I did this for you as a favor, it would be all, hey cool, thanks! But these guys are not doing this as a favor. They are doing exactly the same thing (except they're giving you "pressed" CDs rahter than CD-Rs, at least I think they are), exactly the same thing, and they're charging you good money for it Yes, it's legal in Europe, but...how do you feel about paying for dubbed CDs and cheapass packaging, especially for material a lot (granted, not all) of which is still available at reasonable prices on the second-hand market (or, if you prefer, for free through various means, and no, not everybody prefers)? If I offered you that deal, would you say "hey, screw you!" or "yes, please! Here's my money! Thanks! There's more where this comes from!" Even if I lived in Europe, where it was legal? If I offered me that deal, I'd tell myself to go fuck myself in big hurry! Sure, you get a lot for a little, but as with all things, you're getting what you pay for. And if enough people want a lot of cheapness for a little, then that is what the people will get. <br><br>And then when they want something better, they will trip out why nobody does it any more. Well, duh.

Whoa...

I actually liked Eddie Daniels as a tenor player. Too bad what happened.

Let the record (again) show that my argument was never based on the morality (or lack thereof) in the realm of copyrights & royalties, just on how this type product leads to a further cheapening of the "record business" as a whole and that it's really pretty dumb to spend money on what are essentially CD burns. You can get that anywhere. That the industry itself has been built on some or more greed, deception, exploitation, and criminality is beyond dispute. Also beyond dispute is that at the end of the day, it worked, and it kept working. Buying box sets of CD burns and expecting that to become a viable ongoing business proposition for anything other than an eventual disintegration of quality product, annotation, and packaging is just about like buying stock in companies that outsource jobs and then wondering where all the jobs went. DUH! At some point, the back-catalog industry will settle in to a digital business model that works. If anybody is willing to encourage CD copies of "borrowed" masterings (and in some cases, straight-up needle drops) in cheapass bullshit packaging to become that model, then be my guest.

99 cents from DG, and DAAAAAAMMMMNNNN what a sound Mr. Wilson's writing makes!

At the very least they should say, "If this is all you want, you can get it for free on the internet, so thanks for throwing your little bit of money at us and not saving it to spend on other stuff."

I say just go ahead and do it as planned. You got plenty of "angles" to work here in terms of generating interest - early Chicago, non-AACM "free" jazz, a Lost Giant in Russell Thorne, and a Future Hero in Hal Russell. Initial sales at $50.00 might be limited to the hard core, but if the music delivers (and I've no reason to believe that it won't), the word of mouth and word of press should generate a second wave of interest. And a bit of ongoing PR can get people to save their money for it if they need to. People do that. I know I do. 1500 units seems doable. You'll probably have to pimp Joe Daley a lot harder than you would Bill Dixon or Julius Hemphill, I mean, who outside of a small handful have ever heard of him, much less heard the RCA album, and memories of him suggest that he was not some sort of "visionary" (I actually attended college with one of his students - who offered me $100.00 for my copy of the album, no deal - who described him as an incredibly harsh taskmaster about learning the fundamentals of the music and the instrument, harsh, but with a cause, not just to be an asshole), or that his trio was the unit of organic wonderfulness that give people the teary-eyed shimmy-shivers, but - today it's a damn good story with, I'm assuming, a lot of damn good music that's never been heard before. Probably won't "fly out the door", but if you can afford to sit on some inventory for a year or two (maybe three), I'd think that you could move all or most of the 1500 units you say you need to move. As mentioned before, I've had the RCA album for about 40 years now, and am chomping at the bit to hear this set, in full, as originally described, with or without the airplane noise (preferably with). Of course, I'm no record man, so take this all with a block or three of salt. But as a consumer, I am down with it as three discs at $50.00 (hell, even $60.00). So down with it. Bring it on!

Just got a copy from DG, and what Dan failed to mention that might be of interest to some is that four of the eight arrangements are by John Carisi! One' s by Frank Wess, & three are by Garnett Brown. I guess one's by Taylor himself.

Joe Dodge The Neon Philharmonic The Los Angeles Neophonic Orchestra

Well, at least your logic is not that The Music Business Is Mean To People, Well, this is one of those times where I'd love to be wrong... Here's wishing Gregory all the best.

Good leaders who are gentlemen are nothing to be sneezed at.

Oh, we're playing that game, eh? Cheap, really cheap. See what you get when you start going for the okey-doke? I never feel morally superior, just morally aware. Which I suppose is superior to being totally clueless, but that's just gonna be what it's gonna be. And I don't wear sneakers. I wear Vans. Better grip on the soles, and much better ankle support. And I buy new, at full retail, at stores that employ people with real jobs, as well as sustain networks of distribution and packaging and manufacturing that, yes, does include the proverbial 50-cent/hr Chinese laborer. I get good shoes, and a lot of people get jobs ranging from really good to really average to really piss-poor. What I don't do is go to the "flea-market" and buy cheap knockoffs for some ridiculously low price that still come from the same 50-cent/hr Chinese(or elsewhere) worker but do not sustain the same networks with anywhere near the same amount of cash going into anywhere near the same number of people's hands. There ain't no perfect world. But making it cheaper ain't gonna automatically make it better.

That's what happens when a society loses touch with its agrarian roots. Still, the urge to hurl cow patties at him while he performs must be resisted at all costs, unless one is a certified socio-musical therapist.

Oh boo hoo. The world is a bad place and The Music Industry is full of bad evil people. Crooks, liars, thieves. And even Quincy Jones! That's the way of the world, pete. Substituting cheap bullshit for more expensive bullshit doesn't stop the bullshit, it only makes for less cash flow to go around and even more, even cheaper bullshit. That too is the way of the world. Learn it now and live it later. See you at Wal-Mart! I see. Thanks for the clarification. Not sure if it's Alzheimer's...don't want to be irresponsible here, but I do think he's become "infirm" for some reason. Gregory is running the website, etc., and, I assume, taking over the family business as appropriate. If any of this is not accurate, a correction would be most welcome.

When it comes to clowns with clarinets, I think the bar was long ago set as high as it can be set:

Yes he is, but he's got Alzheimer's or some such (or so it's been siad?), and his son appears to be handling his affairs now. I only hope that Horace is comfortable and that Gregory is handling the business well.

Oh, so the assumption is that the media companies are guilty until proven innocent, eh? Very nice, very emo, but also very fucktardish as citizenship - just make excuses for settling for the lowest common denominator, the lower it gets, oh well, not my fault! This is not well-considered consumership, this is just intellectual and moral slackdom of the most odious order. Do you remember when Blue Mitchell's widow got a buttload full of money? You think Miles' estate doesn't get paid? You think Horace Silver's son is not making sure money is paid as due? Woody Shaw's son? Not everybody made good deals, not everybody has good representation, and not everybody pays what should be paid. But it's too easy to sit there all slack-jawed and think, hey, they're all crooks, so fuck it. I'll take whatever is out there. Besides, if you're willing to pay for cheap pirating of other people's work (you don't think that these sets are anything but - at best - lifts from other, legitimately issued sets, do you?), then you're a chump, and that is your business. You can get that type of thing for free, easily. And yeah, they're legal in Europe. Whores are legal in Nevada. Laws and morality only sometime are relevant to each other.

Their survivors hope you hav4e a nice day!

Yes, and?

That's as nicely a structuired, paced, and presented set of music as I've seen in quite a while. Getz as bandleader can be learned from, onstage, anyway.

Was Roy Haynes ever not the best-dressed man on stage?

Bengie Molina have retired. Officially. http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2012/2/26/2826697/bengie-molina-retires His stay with the Rangers was brief, but memorable. All the best to him!