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Not familiar with "The Horizon Beyond" - details please!

Did these small group cuts appear on any Verve/Clef/etc LPs in their time?

I have learned (well, ok, had it confirmed. Again...) that no matter how much you know, there's that much more to learn if you listen to the right people.

Uh...that's not his web site. This is: http://senators.free.fr/index.html

Ok, now that I think about it, Verve DID put out another 2LP compilation of early New Testament sides in the early 80s(?). Might have been called PARADISE SQUAT, I don't remember. But I swear I remember Illinois Jacquet being mentioned as among the featured players, and I can't find any reference to a Verve Basie date that includes Jacquet on those Japanese sites. Anybody have any insight as to the Jacquet thing and/or that other Verve 2-fer?

Thanks, SS! The simplest way to collate all this stuff would be in a Mosaic set...

Well, at least the havoc was real, not digital...

Well, yeah, and the beautiful thing about this music is that it can accomodate "outside" influences at all ends of the spectrum, from the "populist" to the "intellectual". You can hear hip-hop influences currently coming into the music at both ends. Myself, I have an open mind on the matter, simply becasue any music that really grabs me by the cojones is inevitably spoken in the "native tongue" of whoever is making it. I dislike the misogynistic/misanthropic bent of so much popular rap/hip-hop as much as anybody, but the some of the production techniques of even the vilest stuff opens up new "perceptions" in terms of linearity, overall structure, layering of textures & rhythms), etc. Since I'm of the opinion that "form is the final frontier" (at least until new harmonic systems and non-linear rhythmic structures) become lingua franca for the general populace, these things intrigue me apart from the context in which they are found, they stimulate my imagination as far as how I can bring these same structural perceptions to a music that I can play. And I'm an old fart! Imagine how natural it must be for a younger person to go there, somebody who grew up with that stuff being what they heard as a matter of course, in some instances for all their life. Of course, all these "remix of classic jazz" projects so often (but not always!) smack of gimmickry, but that's going to be the case until the end of time. A more organic integration of these things is inevitable, I think. "We" don't have to like it, but "we" ain't the future! Stay tuned...

Found this at Dusty Groove. Never heard of this guy. Have any of you? http://www.dustygroove.com/jazzcd5.htm#83044 Wooden Glass Featuring Billy Wooten -- Wooden Glass Recorded Live . . . CD . . . P-Vine (Japan), 1972 Mad funky vibes from The Wooden Glass -- a group led by vibist Billy Wooten -- an obscure player in the history books, but one who has had a huge influence on 21st Century groove! Billy's got a hard style on the vibes that's like Bobby Hutcherson and Roy Ayers at their soulful best -- working here with a tight combo that includes guitar and organ, very much in the mode of his classic work with the slightly more famous (although equally obscure) Indianapolis combo The Ninteenth Whole! The set's a live one, but it really cooks with a sweet electric feel -- echoey, funky, and soulful -- as tunes spin out in a staggering approach to the vibes that's unmatched by any record of its time. Billy was a huge influence on Madlib and the sound of Yesterday's New Quintet -- and hearing this set, it's virtually a blueprint for that group's current work! Includes great covers of "In The Rain", "Day Dreaming", and "Love Is Here" -- plus Wooten's excellent original tracks "Monkey Hips & Rice" and "Joy Ride". According to AMG, Wooten played on a few Grant Green 70s sides, and Wooden Glass shows up on The Funky 16 Corners compilation (something I've got to get, it's becoming increasingly apparent). Has anybody actually heard this guy's work?

Regret to announce that the trip has been postponed due to circumstances beyond our control. Hope one day to see the area yet. Thanks for all the great ideas and generous offers. You guys are the best!

Brad, no sense in "arguing" about the merits, or lack of, rap/hip-hop, other than to suggest that A)what is heard in the "mass-media" is not all that there is to the genre (especially lyrically) and that B)what is most likely to be attractive to the jazz ear of future generations is the production techniques and the resultant rhytmic structures, not the lyrical content. The Beatles certainly influenced a generation of jazz musicians, but not to make "yeah, yeah, yeah" music. That was not the strength of their music - the melodic curves and harmonic twists were, and that's what I think had their musical impact, such as it was. Similarly, I'm hearing LOTS of things on the local jazz radio ( www.kntu.fm )by young artists that incorporate the feel of drum samples and the stop/start rhythmic techniques utilized by DJs, and these are bands using real players in real time. I've even heard a big-band piece that uses real samples (how's that for an oxymoron!) as part of the arrangement's overall instrumental texture. It's a "sound" that these folks grew up hearing as part of the fabric of their everyday life, and as such, it comes natural to them. My point about "getting used to it" was simply that, like it or not, rap/hip-hop is the most pervasive popular music today (for quite a while actually), especially among "urban" youth, and that, as such, it is only natural that certain elements of the genre will work their way into the work of young jazz artists who come to the music trying to do something other than re-create past styles (and this influence has been going on for more than a few years, actually. The whole M-Base thing is a notable - and older - example, but it's far from the only one). I meant "get used to it" as in "it's going to happen whether we like it or not" rather than "learn to like it".

Vibes, you seem to be fluent in whatever language those covers are in. I appreciate the translations, especially of the one where a voice seems to be emanating fron underneath the woman' skirt. The last stop for love, indeed! BTW, I had no intention of "picking on" Asian albums in this thread. It's just that I stumbled across THIS SITE whilst looking for jazz covers, and they also had all these cover scans, some of which just did not "translate" to this Western imagination. But, certainly, Bev's positing is definitely in the spirit of the whole thing!

Thanks, Kevin. Any idea what the cause for this sudden terminations was? Was this the first time that Mosaic has done a "partnership" deal like this? I mean, I know the Miles vinyl-only sets were done in collaboration w/Sony, but that's not quite the same thing. I don't recall ever seeing another label's logo actually on the sets like it is with these.

This one's better: http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/bigband/favorite/list.htm