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What I heard of Glasper at last summer's Chicago Jazz Festival sounded like amateur 1970s fusion music with a rapper added. What the music actually sounds like to a bunch of old White farts and what the music actually means to the musicians and those that are part of their environment are two different things. Glasper is conscious of young Black audiences, so a smooth Jazz Fusion sound and rapping are not out of sync. The conceptual aspect is not just about aesthetic form but environmental/situational context.
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Tiny Tim on Blue Note! If he was still alive and popular....it'd probably happen.
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Jazz Gunn and Daktari is a great twofer. Why would you want Gunn by itself? Don't want Daktari for the same reason I don't want Jimmy Page's pants. Annoys me. Jimmy Page looks like Ruth Lion posing for the cover of another Blue Note album.
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What's making you sick? The fact that the two guys I have read you champion on these boards as 'good guys' (Marsalis and Crouch), were still prepared to use extreme racialised language in their own 'Corporate Black Power' ambitions.
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If by you "controlled by people who read the Torah" is an "ordinary mannerism," you must hang out in some interesting places. 'ordinary mannerism' is obviously a reference to the MUSIC Marsalis makes, not the racism inherent in the WORDS attributed to them (Marsalis/Crouch). As in -mannerism - in the manner of - or perhaps even an actual Jazz Mannerism as a specific movement, which it essentially was/is. Funny how this board is peppered with people who vehemently respond to the heightened racist tones of Black musicians and writers who transgress the 'brotherhood of man', when assertively claiming the music for their own or highlighting the unequal or exploitative practices of the past (and their current modes of White-out), yet fail to register that their own assertions or support for the reverse racism - or it's all a part of a whole' whinging of a bunch of peripheral self centred egotists are just as 'racially' vile as the shit they are outraged by.
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And Lester Bowie did say if he had Wynton's chops to combine with his (Bowies) conceptual mind, you'd actually have a kind of super musician who'd be too good for this world!
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You can compartmentalise the issues all you want and say that because Marsalis and Crouch are involved with ordinary Mannerisms that the greater truth they express is not a universal Black truth. But it is. If the same message is coming from Gary Bartz or someone else with artistic and/or real street cache is it still a misreading of reality. Lester Bowie spoke of much the same things. Especially in regard to the 'de-Blackening' of Jazz. Every Black musician with a mind to speak out says the same things. They all aren't deluded, paranoid, jealous or money and power hungry which seems to be the standard riposte to anyone that asserts their right to intellectual property and how they choose to represent it.
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Not this old shit again. The poor be trodden marginalised White Jazz Identity (ie anyone who isn't Black). Wynton says Black people are in a war. Name me one Black or Indigenous person who doesn't know they're still in a war. Seems what Wynton is talking about is Colonisation. Replace the Jazz context with 'stolen land', the opressed body' or any other Black or Indigenous struggle - and the anti-semiticism with the more generalised White and his statement is transferable to every other human rights struggle across the board. And he is identifying Jewish people as historical and contemporary Jazz Colonisers.. Take it or leave it. He may have moderated his sensibilities since the time of this statement but I guarantee he knows he is still in an identity war. And it's his music. Remember Muhummad Ali saying White people were the devil? Parkinson's couldn't understand why he would say that. Wonder what Wynton thinks of The Italian Jazz Identity? I might research my own book. 'How To Record, Stage and Promote Black American Music for Profit and Pleasure'
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possible to Kickstarter TW, BN 16-Aug-1968? or Roots?
robertoart replied to Rooster_Ties's topic in Miscellaneous Music
Music Matters are sticking their nose in the BN legacy. I can just see it......a 45rpm double album called 'Trainwreck". .........for those discerning listeners who are ready to take the next step beyond Blue Train! -
They really understood the creative spirit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxRS6CGrhtM
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Jim Alfredson's Dirty Fingers - A Tribute To Big John Patton
robertoart replied to Jim Alfredson's topic in Announcements
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possible to Kickstarter TW, BN 16-Aug-1968? or Roots?
robertoart replied to Rooster_Ties's topic in Miscellaneous Music
Of course it would be great to have this session out in the public domain. It's also really good to hear a counter argument from a knowledgable listener regarding the integrity and quality of this music. That is really interesting. And makes you think the basic line of argument about these last few vault cloggers that 'how could most of these sessions with the greats still in the vaults be anything other than worthy' has to be mostly the reality. Possibly generational change (in Japan and the US), has maybe lead to a loss of interest and passion to finish the re-issue and vault research 'movement' that I can trace from the late Seventies (in Japan mostly god bless em), to the early to mid 2000's. -
Wes. So Much Guitar. Riverside Stereo first press. Just like this one. But no shrink wrap.
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possible to Kickstarter TW, BN 16-Aug-1968? or Roots?
robertoart replied to Rooster_Ties's topic in Miscellaneous Music
That hardly figures. The truly hardcore have found a way to heard this session, but hardly everyone. I wasn't even aware there was a window in which to get my mitts on the music. Put it out on EMI-Japan, and hundreds of copies would sell due to the number of completists out there (and then some of the hardcore folks who either want to be legit, want the tangible product with liner notes or both). How do you know there's not liner notes with the illicit copies I don't. That's the problem. Well I haven't got a copy either if it makes you feel any better. (Smile). Then again I haven,t got a copy of Natural Essence in my collection either (yet). So l bloody well don't deserve one. (Smile). I do have the Larry Young Mosaic box though. Does that qualify as committed (big smile). -
Maybe McLaughlin wanted to move away from gritty, or just couldn't deliver it on his own. Mahavishnu tends to crossover to prog fans.
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possible to Kickstarter TW, BN 16-Aug-1968? or Roots?
robertoart replied to Rooster_Ties's topic in Miscellaneous Music
That hardly figures. The truly hardcore have found a way to heard this session, but hardly everyone. I wasn't even aware there was a window in which to get my mitts on the music. Put it out on EMI-Japan, and hundreds of copies would sell due to the number of completists out there (and then some of the hardcore folks who either want to be legit, want the tangible product with liner notes or both). How do you know there's not liner notes with the illicit copies -
My Ted Dunbar album sounded a bit harsh on listening. My Jimmy Raney one is OK.
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Hampton made 6 figure donations to Republican political causes. Nice. Obviously George Benson. Pat Metheny must be rolling in it. Jamey Aebersold Lot's of other people that didn't do drugs or were White. Michael Brecker? John McLaughlin?
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Will they be warped if they're still sealed? Only cos I'm interested in getting some......
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possible to Kickstarter TW, BN 16-Aug-1968? or Roots?
robertoart replied to Rooster_Ties's topic in Miscellaneous Music
That's right its all about us! Well it's simple then. We need someone to get inside this silly religious thing, get Mr Washington de-programmed and willing to play again. Get some gigs organised with some young hip White kids (or Allen Lowe), and get the vibe happening. Then get Universal via dustygroove to come to the party. And also....in terms of the actual session being discussed...if someone who has deeply listened to Tyrone Washington's discography as roosterties has, hears this session as a high point, I would bet London to a brick his ears are more attuned to the 'quality - BN legacy bullshit', than some others may be while they were dealing with 'everybody's' session discographies. -
Don Cheadle may play Miles Davis in biopic
robertoart replied to mgraham333's topic in Miscellaneous - Non-Political
They can end the film with Miles triumphant return to the studio recording 'Man With The Horn'......errrrrrr....... -
no no I'm defense counsel!!! even here, under somewhat dubious circumstances, Stitt's tone and rhythmic facility merit attention and praise. I've had it with horn players of all persuasions-- straight and erstwhile 'avant'-- who play slurry not as a considered choice but because they don't have the ability to do otherwise. (Compare Ornette to his epigone Jemeel Moondoc; compare Stitt on any horn to-- hah hah-- Ken Vandermark or Branford etc.) All Stitt is very good Stitt and more than enough is much better than that. Just cuz certain yokels-- not thinking of anyone in particular, rather the general condescension towards Stitt-- couldn't keep up, that shouldn't be our problem, nor should we accept less esp. when there aren't any better ideas attached to the erstwhile 'alternatives'-- Did Jemeel Mooondoc refuse your insistent pleading for a **** *** behind the barn.
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Which jazz musician do you listen to the most frequently?
robertoart replied to Patch's topic in Artists
The usual. Regular rotation of soul jazz guitar players and organ for my never ending guitar studies, and then their free jazz progeny and associated saxophone cohorts. Plus a growing 'Spotify', habit to make playlists and listen to the great Soul singers like Ann Peebles, Syreeta, Gil Scott Heron, lots of soul era Albert King. There is a huge Contemporary White Soul scene in my capital city at the moment. Hoping it might migrate towards my slightly regional home base and stifle the 'post - hair metal' crowd. Ha Ha Ha.