Scott Dolan

Preach it, brother! I basically only experienced J.J and Kai as leaders, yet love the trombone. I had heard of Brookmeyer, but I'm not sure I've ever heard him play. So my bank account will be joining yours, in flames...

It was a funny line, and covered both sides beautifully. Point - JSngry

Hope you had one hell of a good B-Day, brother!

Maybe a better term here, in some cases, would be "not that well known." For instance, Hawkins' excellent "On Broadway," which combines three Prestige LPs: http://www.amazon.com/Broadway-Coleman-Hawkins/dp/B000000ZFO/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1409885535&sr=1-1&keywords=coleman+Hawkins+%22On+Broadway Yes, that sounds like the better way to describe them.

Another great one from him that would qualify as serene was Music Matador. That's actually one of my all time favorite Jazz tunes.

I agree. I'm glad no one here implied anything like that.

And here you accidentally made my point for me. That is what is called "getting in on the ground floor". Great record executives try to stay ahead of trends, or at least recognize them as quickly as possible. When the critics are lauding, you best move your ass. In other words, if this had simply stayed an underground thing that the critics ignored (or if they had all gone down the John Tynan rabbit hole), Alfred Lion wouldn't have been recording it just because he thought it was important to document. That's just a silly Wikipedia quote.

I find it hard to believe that anything from Hawk or Taylor is "underrated".

In response to the OP, Out To Lunch? I find the title track incredibly serene.

I'd normally say that you two need to get a room, but this conversation has actually been quite informative and entertaining. So, please carry on! Seriously...you both are throwing down some serious minutiae, but it provides me (and I'm hoping many others) some really excellent knowledge to draw from in the future. And yes, Jim. This is genuine commentary. Even though I think you're a loon at times (as you do I), I do respect your overall knowledge when it comes to Jazz. Going to listen to the Grachan Moncur album later this evening.

What an ingenious way to ensure future record sales!

If you don't think albums that are advertised or reviewed in respected publications have an advantage over those that aren't, then you're truly off your rocker.

Right. Because nobody goes out an buys an album after reading a review about it in their publication of choice.

Jim says no. I say yes. And thanks for the info you gained from reading the contemporary publications of the time which seem to confirm "yes". At least to some degree. If you want to stay relevant in the market, you are going to have to sign artists that the publications feeding your market are abuzz over. A fallacy you seem hell bent on featuring as your main argument. There were no "big paydays" left in Jazz in the mid to late 60's. If there were, we'd probably never have had Fusion.

Well, I'm glad you cats have found the angels amongst us who just want to "document" the music they find "important". Back here in Realityville it was clear that Rock was eating into Jazz sales in the 60's in a big way. Record executives for Jazz labels were trying to hit home runs, not score bloop singles. Fusion didn't happen by accident.

Sorry, but I can't buy that even a little. There has never been a record executive in history that ran a multi-million dollar company that said "fuck money, I've got a legacy to build!" Alfred was no fool, and by the mid 60's it was pretty clear the direction Jazz had moved in. The Three Sounds comparison is trite at best. There were outliers, but AG was the main attraction. You might as well have refused to sign a Hair Metal band in the 80's while continuing to look for the next Jim Croce.

If we're talking underrated, I'd nominate The Illinois Concert from Dolphy. Herbie was going off that night!

I need to grab that one. I have 0 Moncur in my collection, and have been meaning to remedy that for years. *edit* Downloading now!

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And I agree with that 100%. As I stated earlier in the thread, it wasn't as though they were trying to be Impulse! or ESP, but they knew quite well that if they were to remain a relevant player in the market during the 60's they were going to have to land some AG artists.

I actually check "content I have not read". That way you're not locked into a fixed period of time. John, did you dump your cookie for the site and log back in? I'd try that if Paul's suggestions don't work.

Yeah, he's wrong about that, and you can add my name to that group. I'll gladly listen to everything from Basie to Ayler, and everything in between. Matter of fact, in recent years I've gotten away from "energy" music and returned to the more "accessible" stuff.

Wow! I had no idea one could like Jazz but not like Miles! Learn something new everyday.

One of the few Jazz albums I would rate as "essential". My copy came in the Miles Davis box set The Blue Note and Capital Recordings, oddly enough.

Well, at the time most of them did. Especially those you mentioned. Hence my question. All of those cats came from a Bebop background.