Scott Dolan

Depending on when that book was published, he was either prescient or late to the party. http://nfltoaster.com

They are not talking about economics, but about personal preferences. No need to argue about that. I would have agreed too, except that I'm not an Apple guy and have never owned an "i"-product. "Recurring charges. Constant revenue." Unless I took the wrong class in school, that is indeed economics. Can only echo what MG posted. It is one of the clunkier pieces of software I've ever used. And it seemingly gets worse with every new release and update. Very frustrating.

I have to agree with Impossible on this one. Agree with him all you want, but it's really this simple: "According to an earnings report earlier this year, Apple's iPod Classic sales in the final quarter of 2013 had dropped 52 per cent year-on-year. Apple also lost 55 per cent in revenue on all models of the music player, compared to the previous year, and the iPod makes up less than 2 per cent of the company's overall income." The End http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2750990/RIP-iPod-Apple-silently-kills-Classic-digital-music-player-removing-online-store.html As the market goes, so goes the product. It's not some nefarious scheme by Apple. It's basic economics.

I already understood when MG explained it earlier. But, the fact that the people you describe are such a niche market explains the exact reason Apple discontinued it.

C'mon, brother. You're going down a rather silly road here. Yeah, if you didn't use Cloud storage or stream via Spotify, you'd have neither internet or a data plan. Seriously? You're manufacturing outrage.

The best things in life are few. https://www.apple.com/icloud/ And I'm not just referring to iCloud. Spotify and other subscriptions require recurring monthly payment, along with constant data transfer courtesy of megaton telecom. But yay for progress. Spotify is also free if you don't mind the commercial breaks and lower streaming bitrate. At the end of the day if you want something better than the free service offered, then you have to pay. I'm not sure why that is so outrageous.

What do you mean by recurring costs? ICloud is free.

But it hasn't. They just have it the ability to make and receive calls and now call it an iPhone.

The Classic is 13 y.o. I'd call that a pretty nice run.

OK, if it wasn't Porter (and I think I p was correct), it had to be the Bill Cole bio. That's the only other one I find in my library that could have led to my "assumption"(?) Or, perhaps I simply misread something somewhere. Look, I certainly would never disparage John Coltrane. For christ's sake, I named my son after him! I apologize if I recalled any of this correctly.

Not sure. Porter, maybe? I think I still have it, I'll have to check.

It was in a Coltrane biography where I read that he was still drinking wine up to his death. Can't recall which one it was.

Agreed, xybert! With a Wi-Fi connection, the iPod Touch is like having a miniature computer in your hands. Even without it the Touch is pretty astonishing.

Absolutely spot on, Paul. And Coltrane was still drinking wine pretty heavily at the time of his death.

Watch the replay. He didn't need to be touched. He came down on it in a terribly awkward way.

From what little I know of it it's a highly stable application. It's also proprietary, which makes it a far safer bet than third party software. But no big deal. Simply make a restore point real quick before installing. If you have any problems afterwards, then go back to that point and be done with it.

Yikes! Yeah, that was pretty grievous on my part...

My final word on this, Larry. I knew an athlete of his size and strength could have killed her with one blow from the very beginning. I do not care about the how and why, nor any other motivating factors. I am only concerned with the act and consequence. The lobby video told me all I needed to know. The elevator video reduced us to voyeurs. It's violence porn, and I refuse to intellectualize it. So, I appreciate your elaboration, as always, but we will simply have to agree to disagree.

I'd love to be rid of our land line, but the wife won't here of it. And since our phone and internet come from the same company we wouldn't save any money if we shut the phone off. (they're bundled)

Fine, Larry. Then clarify this for me. Let's say Rice slapped his girlfriend, she hit her head which knocked her out, then he dragged her out of the elevator and just stood there with no regard for her. Conversely, he punched her and knocked her out. Showed the same disregard for her in the elevator that we saw after he dragged her out of the elevator. How do you view those acts differently, and how would you have punished them differently?

...is somewhat contradictory to: You seem to be manufacturing unnecessary angst here. If you don't want to be interrupted on your walk, then switch your phone to silent and enjoy your Pandora or Live 365 programming. If you get a call while you're out, you'll have a message telling you so when you get back home and pull the phone out of your pocket. I realize you have to make such pronouncements to prove you're not a big phone guy. Hey, I get it. My wife and I were probably the last two people on the planet to get cell phones. And the only reason we did it was because we were moving half way across the country driving our own cars and she has zero sense of direction. And after stepping up to a smart phone, I realize the extreme versatility that is built into them. Comparing listening to music on one to pissing in your swimming pool is a bit silly. Because, no, a swimming pool most certainly does not have the same functionality as a toilet. Smart phone, OTOH, were indeed designed to also be music players.

I would say that it reveals or suggests something about the nature of their depravity and also why they committed murder. The act may stand alone in moral and a legal sense but not in a psychological sense. The ramp down from the unacceptable crime may tells us something about the ramp that led up to it. For instance, the situation I mentioned in post #53. One can imagine soldiers who recently had lost comrades to enemy action and were full of a desire for revenge that in some cases was not satisfied by the act of killing their antagonists alone. One can also imagine soldiers who felt up front that their antagonists were alien inferior beings who deserved not only to be killed but also ritually humiliated, and who felt that memorializing and sharing these acts of posthumous humiliation would bolster their self esteem. Meaningless differences? I don't think so. Right. In other words, a kinder, gentler murderer/rapist/domestic abuser is to be looked at in a different, perhaps more sympathetic light. I'm not sure why you keep reiterating that, yet at the same time demand that you're not saying that at all.

Still completely disagree. I don't care if they cut their victims skin off and wore it around a la Ed Gein. All that shows is just how twisted and depraved they were. It has no bearing, none, on the fact that they committed murder. The act stands alone, in both a moral and a legal sense. I couldn't care less how Rice responded to it.

Just wanted to correct a couple of points here. When the iPhone is set to silent it will not interrupt what you are listening to. So there's your same functionality of taking your iPod for a walk and leaving your phone at home. Also, the iPod Touch also has a speaker on it. I realize you're referring to the Classic, but just wanted to make it clear that one iPod model does indeed have a speaker. After all, the Touch is essentially an iPhone without the ability to take and make calls. Though, I'd be interested in hearing about the new set of reflexes and the loss of time thing. I never experienced anything like that.

Here's my problem, Larry. I'm strictly opposed to any violence, and especially that perpetrated by a male on a female. To say a slap is more acceptable than a punch is simply a road I cannot go down. Or to say that a show of concern somehow makes it better than a show of indifference. I disagree with that 100%, with no exceptions or wiggle room.