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Dewey Redman - Soundsigns (Galaxy, 1978) One of the best records with the worst covers.

I like the alternative title Benny Carter Plays Pretty.

Sorry to ask another question: did the shops have separate"Swing" sections too?

Early 00s, with Mabern and Mraz. Similar to other post 70s Shepp, but without the rumination on the Tradition: the vibe he's aiming for seems to be Left Bank chic.

Now on Archie Shepp Quartet (Venus, 2001) It slots in very nicely with the recent Mainstream discussions.

Does anyone have any ideas of how popular this music was in comparison to revival/Dixieland and bop influenced styles? I hadn't realised that Dance was a Brit.

Just come off a plane, during which I listened to both of these. Currently on this one: Lludas Mockunas and Christian Windfield - Pacemaker (NoBusiness, 2018) Might be the lack of sleep, but I’m really enjoying it: in the free improv / EAI bracket.

I think the same. The strange tendancy towards music that appears "tame". Disney themes, K Pop, film music soundtracks all seem to have an appeal that I would never have imagined when I was a teenager. High emotion, cinematic music that from my perspective seems sappy and inauthentic. I think that part of it may be the result of younger people having come up in a world with access to everything except for context with the result that questions of authenticity and excitement may have a different meaning to them. That said, there is a lot of "high resistance" music out there. New genres of rap or electronic music that are very abrasive and which are made by the youngest cohorts.

Does anyone know whether the term 'Mainstream' was used in the UK? I'm familiar with the term from this forum, but I hadn't heard of it previously. The older British and South African jazz fans I know always talked about "progressive" versus "trad', which I think (could be wrong) meant effectively bop and dixieland/pop in US terms, although the context and content are different. What I find a bit odd is how this music continues to have a half life. Records like Coleman Hawkins Encounters Ben Webster are extremely popular on the internet - Frequently recommended as starter purchases on Reddit or Steve Hoffman, but the genre remains very unfashionable and barely appears in the critical guides or on twitter/Instagram. Anyhow, I've found that Earl Hines and Budd Johnson records really ear opening. They're incredible.

Missing the write ups and recommendations this week.

Worth listening. Similar world to Kamasi Washington and Thundercat.

Pee Wee Russell - Swingin' with Pee Wee (Swingsville, 1960)

Wouldn't they need to be catchier? I don't hate Culcha Vulcha, but otherwise don't like them at all. Patchworks of ideas, all with that rather saccharine funk behind it. Snarky Puppy serve as a reminder to me that something is changing with the taste of the generation that is just coming of age now. All of this stuff sounds embarrassingly naff, cloying and boring to my ears, but I can see that there is something that I am not understanding which my 19 year old cousin loves and finds exciting (a biiiig Snarky Puppy fan, intelligent and in love with music, including the jazz "classics", but with no interest in most of what I consider to be 'groundbreaking new jazz').

Just a bump, really. I’ve been listening to a fair bit of 50s/60s small group swing recently since @jazzboposted that Hines / Rushing record a week or two ago. It’s strange that there’s comparatively few threads dedicated to this music given that these records come up fairly frequently on the Listening To thread.

Surprised it hasn't received more hype. It's really good.

Where would you suggest starting?

Got this Herbie Tsoaeli on at the moment. So damn good.

The great stuffs.

It's now 50 years and a day old (missed the anniversary). Not an album I ever fell in love with (to my ears its a prog / art rock mess with jazz edges), but I'm very aware of its stature. Many out there consider it to be the Greatest Jazz Album Of All Time.

I think a lot of it is down to the players, who look very impressive to someone who is an on / off jazz fan.

I've only ever read a couple of interviews with Gordon, but his hip speech patterns sometimes seem to come across as a defence mechanism. I'm thinking of Notes and Tones in particular where Gordon manages to scramble Art Taylor's leading questions. In real life did it appear defensive or charming?

Had fun driving round the Klein Karoo today listening to this.

Remind me how S-ABPM differs from exotica and other similar genres? Is Buddy Collette in there? I'm assuming Space-Age Pseudo Mambo Pool Part Music, which also often shows up in the jazz section, is its own genre. Anyway. A nice idea for a thread. One of these days I would like to know your all time favourites across all of the connected exotica-adjacent genres. Several close French friends who are jazz enjoyers, all of whom regard this album as an all conquering powerhouse of greatness that is the unquestionable next step in French jazz once you have absorbed the Reinhardt/Grappellis. Never understood it myself. There's plenty of amazing french jazz records out there. This wouldn't make my top ten.

What's the Gato?

That's exactly it! Still happens I think - even though the days of record shops are gone, algorithms and listicles still chop music up.