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Some recent discussion on eras of Coltrane. Has there been much research on who may have most influenced John Coltrane when he first started, and how his ideas crystallised in those very early stages? For ease of definition, let's take the period playing with Monk as the end point for the early stages. I find it very hard to "unhear" Coltrane, having started out listening to him. He has quite distinctive melodic, harmonic and rhythmic positions even from quite early on.

That's good.

Hank Marr – Greasy Spoon Benny Golson – This Is For You, John (Bay State, 1984)

16-17 – When All Else Fails...

Oh no.

16-17

Thanks!

Thanks for suggesting it!

This is good. Excellent record. One of my few random buys and I've never regretted.

Those records are obviously juvenalia and they are also their own sort of dead end, but they're really interesting dead end juvenalia. Third stream and its colleague: esoteric cool and bop modernism. The link to Black Saint is obvious but also the records are really different. It's more a link in thinking that actual musical language. I'm also a big fan of John LaPorta. He's not the best alto player by any means, but he has a nice smokey quality and, more importantly, he tended to be on oddball interesting records only.

The options really show how starkly short Coltrane's career was.

That's another cool record. I like LaPorta on it, and the composing is good too. Lots of great ideas in that era.

Dwight Trible – Cosmic (2011) Great version of "I've Known Rivers". I enjoyed seeing him recently with Kahil El'Zabar.

The Fletcher Henderson All Stars Under The Direction Of Rex Stewart – The Big Reunion Great record. A good recent recommendation from this forum.

Bob Mintzer – Spectrum First listen to Mintzer outside of the Yellow Jackets, following a semi-disparaging reference to Bob Mintzer's big band work in another thread. It's only really half big band though.

John Scofield - Meant To Be John Scofield's one of those guys whose output I consistently quite enjoy but never really love. This record adds Joe Lovano to that, so a double helping, really.

Good / bad / meh?

There are a few Coltrane imitators out there who really get it, but mostly it's just throwing a spoiler on a Subaru and calling it a race car. It would be quite fun assigning the followers to the different periods, though. Overall, I am surprised by the lack of love for the Atlantics upthread. What the Atlantic period really has going is its consistency. Coltrane's 2.5 Impulse! eras are marred by some of his weaker records at least to my dumb ears, even if none of them is lacking a spark.

Spinning this one again. It borders on a very satisfying sort of esoteric cool.

RIP. A very significant character in jazz at precisely the point I was getting into the genre. RIP.

Does anyone know anything about the German Jeton label? It seems to have released a lot of jazz records during its years, including by some name players, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen any reference to any of the albums.

Hans Koller – Relax With My Horns

Stan Kenton! Tex Ritter!

David Liebman – The Loneliness Of A Long Distance Runner

I'm going for "Other" for the last three records, particularly Interstellar Space. That music seems to me to be completely different to what Coltrane was playing on records like Meditations. Otherwise, I'd go for Atlantic.