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What eMusic's new management is doing: nope. They've effectively decided to iTunes-ize the site, and I have no sympathy for that approach. I think they've really screwed up in the way the "new eMusic" has been presented to current subscribers - they certainly have been anything but forthcoming and willing to reply to questions and queries. I'm throwing in the towel by the end of this month.

I don't love all of Jenny Scheinman's work, either, but I've heard some good things by her. My lists have a number of my favorites, but are otherwise just a heads-up on some good players who might not be familiar to some posters here...

Nah. Maybe they need Geritol, though! About Sheila E.: well, yes, but lots of people see women drummers/percussionists as an oddity.

Sheila E. is really good - I think many people write her off as one of Prince's protegees, which doesn't begin to do justice to her ability. I'd have to say that guys who have issues with women musicians have... issues, period. (Not just with women per se.)

More instrumentalists: Susie Ibarra Cindy Blackman Terri Lynne Carrington Barbara Carroll Regina Carter Carolyn Breuer (her straight-ahead material) Jane Bunnett (mostly her Cuban stuff) Anat Cohen Joyce (multiple categories: composer, arranger, guitarist, singer, lyricist) Luciana Rabello (OK, not strictly jazz, but she's killer) Monette Sudler Mimi Fox Shirley Scott Roberta Piket Melba Liston (as both trombonist and arranger) Clarice Assad (as pianist and composer, mainly) Michele Rosewoman (as pianist, composer and arranger) Kerry Politzer Myra Melford Miriam Alter Maxine Roach Laurie Frink Helen Sung Carla Kihlstedt Lynne Arriale Emily Remler Rosinha de Valença (wonderful Brazilian guitarist whose career was cut short by a heart attack and subsequent coma) Cristina Azuma (another Brazilian guitarist) some more Brazilians: Lea Freire (reeds) Daniella Spielmann (reeds) Simone Soul (drum set and other percussion - she's killer) * An aside: Most of the younger musicians I've played with (40 and under) seem to accept me on an equal footing; none of them (as far as I know) think it's odd for a woman to be playing percussion, or anything else, for that matter. This isn't always true of older guys, but what the hey... (And I'm not a pro; just saying...)

I wish - I'm still trying to figure her out. Then again, I'm still scratching my head over a lot of Manfred Eicher's release choices... Pretty much - honest.

A few artists (instrumentalists) - and I'd like their work if they were men. Mary Lou Williams Maria Schneider Clare Daly Geri Allen Ingrid Jensen Jane Ira Bloom Annette Peacock Rebeca Mauleón Akua Dixon Turre Susie Ibarra Jenny Scheinman Toshiko Akiyoshi Eliane Elias (as a pianist, not as a singer) Carla Bley Marie McAuliffe (does anyone know if she's still gigging in the NYC area?) and there are more. Must cogitate a bit!

Hell, I've been tired of that - for years! Really, it's one big joke, this notion that We Can Change The World Through A Jazz Bulletin Board. Interesting/useful information can be exchanged, product can be moved, gut other than that, it all comes down to sitting around talking bullshit to one degree or another, even when it gets "serious". So "pettiness" is pretty much a forgone conclusion for anything not dealing with hard facts or cold cash. It's just a question of scale from thread to thread. Don't get me wrong, I love it, I'm an incredibly petty person myself, but hey, let's just keep it real, that's all I'm saying. All very good points, sir! It was the "another censor" thing... I realize there's been a lot of contention on this board over the past few weeks, though I haven't been following it.

I bet I'm not alone in being tired of provocations - that Getz thread, ongoing personal battles, the whole megillah. I did ask Jim Alfredson to reset things so I can't see the political and religious topics anymore, but man... they're not the only tough places here. (am not accusing you of anything, JSngry, btw, just sayin'...) As for "other censors," I am not involved with any moderating decisions here - for mjzee - so I think your comments really should be sent to Jim A. rather than posted in this thread, directed at someone who has nothing to do with board admin and mod stuff. As is, I'm not sure that digging up an old thread is helping move things forward on this one. Best to all, s.

Think what you want, Jim. I'm getting tired of the fights and pettiness here, to be honest.

With all due respect, mjzee, I really don't care what you think about me. If you're annoyed or think I'm attempting to censor something, I suggest you contact Jim Alfredson rather than making accusations here on the board. You seem to be insinuating that I am "another censor." ???????! My opinions are what they are, and I don't see what harm they pose to you.

Look, there's no point in continuing this exchange, Chuck. But you know, my post about "MALE jazz artists" was intended to be tongue in cheek, not a serious question. OTOH, I do think that qualification by gender is kind of silly. (Regarding any genre, or any of the arts, for that matter.) Fair enough?

Quick add: looks like some of the "male fans" on this board are proving the "vocals only" thing wrong, eh?

Well, I guess I'll have to tell my 85-year-old, wanted-to-be-a-jazz-pianist mom about your pronouncement, Mr. Nessa. I think I know what she'll say in reply. BTW, her LP collection was/is pretty much the reason I started liking jazz - at age 5 or so. My mom used to play Monk while doing housework. (Those who've known me for a long time via AAJ will realize I'm not being snarky here, just telling the truth.) And... back in the late 80s-mid 90s, most of the top jazz DJs in the D.C. area were women. All very, very knowledgeable; in many cases, knowing more than most of the guys I've met who claim fandom. Go put that in your pipe and smoke it!

I'm tempted to start a thread titled "Favorite MALE jazz artist???," people. The reason for singling out "female JAZZ" musicians just does.not.compute. [written by a woman who also plays music, though not jazz]

Tenorio was really good, though I know little about him. You might want to try these sites: http://cliquemusic.uol.com.br/br/home/home.asp (there's an English-language section) and http://www.discosdobrasil.com.br/ The latter is an album database, indexed in a number of ways. It's in Portuguese, but is pretty easy to navigate. Hope this is helpful!

True. I feel like Baron Cohen takes advantage of peoples' goodwill, for the most part.

Yep. Also, what papsrus said, about him simply mocking other people, rather than making fun of himself first. I fail to see how his stunts do anything to shock people into a new level of awareness of, say, anti-semitism ("Throw the Jew Down the Well") and more. I think he's just exploiting people. and he's clearly capable of doing something more intelligent, which is what really irks me...

Looks like an attempt to create a monopoly.

I'm planning to read the book. To be honest, I think trashing (or simply dismissing) something without having read (or heard) it is just plain stupid.

Maybe you guys could actually read the book instead of trying to trash what you *think* Wald says, sight unseen ....

Perspective deeply appreciated, S. I know some people have it in for Elijah Wald (in general), and most that I've seen (elsewhere, not here) haven't read a single word he's written. Midas, thanks so much for your post!

I guess not...

Just curious - has anyone posting in this thread actually read Wald's new book?

Bev (and all), you might like some other tango nuevo musicians and composers - most of them kept playing for dancers, unlike Piazzolla. Osvaldo Pugliese would be a good start (a contemporary of Piazzolla's). Piazzolla has been presented as being *the* tango nuevo innovator/demigod in the English-language press, but that's only partly true. I think zanonedelpueblo might have some recs, since he lived in Argentina. I haven't really done much listening to tango for the past number of years, and (with the difficulty involved in finding Argentinean import discs), I've been somewhat discouraged about hunting down new material. (European issues excepted. That covers a lot of the expats in France, Juan Jose Mosalini being one of them. He used to record for Label Bleu and has done a couple of outstanding jazz-tango albums that are pretty hard to find. Some of his other albums are very Piazzolla-like, and I'm not crazy about those, although they're beautifully played and recorded.) I think it's really unfortunate that Piazzolla has been lionized at the expense of some of his contemporaries and successors, but hey - as a former reviewer, I can see how and why that happened here in the US.