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I've had no trouble with CD Universe, though I don't order from them often. It seems as if they have better connections for distribution of titles from Europe and S. America - and, sometimes, better prices than Amazon. It pays to shop around!

That statement from The Second Mile really rankles. It's so very frustrating to be here and not be able to do anything... also knowing that there are people who would happily die for PSU's football team. Which is just. so. wrong. * Edited to add: McQueary will not attend Nebraska game due to threats. It sounds like State College and University Park (the campus) are crawling with cops - state troopers, helicopters, the works. I am honestly surprised that the National Guard hasn't been called up - yet.

I think its almost impossible to imagine what it would be like to have been in McQueary's shoes at the time he saw the assault. * for anyone who's interested, Tom Corbett (gov. of PA and former State Attorney General - on the Sandusky case for 2 years) will be speaking in a few minutes. You can watch his press conference here: http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/livenow?id=8427072

Not quite... the PA State Attorney General who is prosecuting the Sandusky abuse case is a woman. (Though I should note that Tom Corbett - now governor - was the original State Attorney General on the case.) McQueary, Curley and Schultz should all have been fired last night, too - the fact that that didn't happen says a great deal to validate what you've just said about King Football, testosterone, etc. As for the students who rioted, they rioted earlier this year, after the announcement of Osama Bin Laden's death. There was no news coverage of the candlelight vigils and quiet demonstrations that took place on campus last night; only of the rioters. So the picture is a bit skewed. But... are we disgusted here? hell yes.

Or you could all read the actual statute. Legal counsel for Curley, Schultz and Paterno are using a loophole to get by. Just. not. acceptable.

They should be coming in, specifically on an investigation of violations of the Clery Act: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/11/08/142146941/congressman-calls-for-federal-investigation-into-penn-state-scandal About the shredding (and hard drive wipes, I'm sure): I know. Wish there was some way it could be stopped. Re. 2007 commencement speech: yes, it's mentioned in my last. His most recent football camp was in 2009, at the Behrend campus (PSU) in Erie. * The loopholes in the Child Protective Services law (and other things) - op-ed from the Harrisburg (PA) Patriot Includes a proposal to amend the law.

Pennsylvania § 42.42. Suspected child abuse—mandated reporting requirements. http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/049/chapter42/s42.42.html As they note, there is a 24-hour hotline. It looks like whoever was told (at Penn State, more than once) failed to comply with the minimum requirements of the law re. the timeframe of reporting suspected(or actual) child abuse; further, that standards of reporting were not met. * The questions of bribery, payoffs, threats.... they're all a realistic part of the scenario regarding Sandusky, the Penn State athletic department and relevant admins., The Second Mile, local police departments, etc. etc. etc. A great many people seem to have kept their mouths shut over a long period of time. Meanwhile, Sandusky was asked to give a commencement speech on the University Park campus as recently as 2007. (See centredaily.com, pennlive.com, onwardstate.com, statecollege.com and the Daily Collegian's site + Twitter feeds for details and more coverage.)

I'd rather not engage in further discussion with you on this topic. best, s.

NOBODY CALLED THE COPS WHEN MCQUEARY ACTUALLY SAW SANDUSKY RAPING A 10 YEAR-OLD KID. [caps are for emphasis; not yelling] It's that simple. See this: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/133435418.html?cmpid=15585797 * And this (awfully late in coming, though): taken from the liveblog at ONwardState - http://onwardstate.com/2011/11/08/live-blog-penn-state-charges-sandusky-scandal/

what he said!

Sorry, that doesn't make any sense at all. I think you misunderstand something: failure to report child abuse (of any kind) is, in itself, a crime. Paterno's good guy image just went down the toilet because of his complete moral and ethical FAIL on this. But, as JETman and Leeway have said, this is only the beginning of what will (imo) prove to be a far uglier - and more pervasive - problem. I am certain that Sandusky's "charity," The Second Mile, is going to be the subject of a great deal of scrutiny and attention, if only that had been true from 1977 on (when he started it). His known victims were primarily Second Mile kids. Saying "I reported it to my superiors" sounds suspiciously like "I was just following orders." [cue cilip of Pilate washing his hands]

I've done the same with my Philips and haven't had any problems with compatibility since...

Because of g'damned football team loyalty, most likely - and McQueary's (grad assistant witness) job on the line (guessing). And maybe shock as well. Sorry, I'm just furious at all of this - need to take a breather!

PhillyQ - *and* blow the whistle on Second Mile, to try to stop Sandusky from having any further contact with kids - after all, he is a pedophile and repeat offender. The sad thing: a lot of people are refusing to believe that Sandusky, Paterno etc. did anything wrong. They're those nice guys who blend in with the rest of the community and even (in Paterno's case) have listed phone numbers with their street address included. Just regular "Humble Joe" types. [/sarcasm] Yes, I've been dragged to Beaver Stadium many a time! You mean you don't like posh tailgate parties?!

Sounds like your reaction to it is very similar to mine...

JETman - true. He's a deity around here - have you seen the JoePa "shrine" outside Beaver Stadium? (The statue of him where people love to pose for pics.) It might be in everyone's best interest to shut down the football team for a while. I know that will probably sound ridiculous to some, but it could send a message re. zero tolerance. (And kids can get football scholarships at other schools.) I'd love to see the football program go down to the level of the Temple Owls (a longtime opponent) and put the emphasis squarely on education, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

Report it to the cops immediately (and not just the campus cops), because it was a criminal matter - a 10 year-old kid was being raped by Sandusky. Get medical care and counseling for the kid who was victimized and abused. Failure to do these things: sorry, the man should be under investigation for what he didn't do. The minimal response might be legal, but ethical?! Responsible?! Compassionate?! It's just like the good old boy network in the Roman Catholic church re. protection of priests who continue(d) to abuse kids. I could make a short list of the other things he should have done, but plenty of columnists and commenters (elsewhere) have already done that.

Check the Daily Collegian - its Twitter feed especially (http://www.collegian.psu.edu/ ) Scott Paterno reported 45 minutes ago that the NYT story about his father leaving is false. I wonder...

The more that is coming out the more I'm thinking that everyone, Paterno included should go. They all knew that something very wrong was going on there and they didn't act in a manner that was intended to make it stop. They were more interested in preserving the image of the school and the folks running the athletic department. If I'm in the shoes of any of these people and I hear 'inappropriate' 'child' and 'Sandusky' in close proximity I CALL THE COPS! I also make damn sure that this guy doesn't even get to breathe the surrounding air of the college or any of its satellites. Nobody did any of that to their eternal shame. It's worse than that - by doing nothing, they all enabled Sandusky in his preying on kids. If you all knew how highly respected his Second Mile foundation is (the phony "charity" he used to troll) - and how high-profile they are in terms of their supposedly "helping" at-risk kids - this would snap into focus fast. It's a very wealthy "charity," and I doubt people are going to stop donating unless it is shut down. (Not so coincidentally, Sandusky and Second Mile have held sports camps on Penns State campuses - and recently.) Me, well... I want that stupid statue of Paterno toppled today! What really sickens me is that so little attention is being paid to the welfare of former and current victims. They must all be suffering, yet the attitude seems to be "Well, they'll get over it." Which is one of the reasons that both Spanier's and Paterno's true colors have been shown (with their unconditional public support for Curley et. al.). The board of trustees needs to fire some people now, but that's only the beginning...

Re. tk 3 - that heavy trombone sound is from NYC and surrounding area. I had a good guess as to who it was as soon as I heard it, but Noj (who is more up on this than I am) beat me to it, and rightly so!

Have you tried CD Universe? Also... check Half.com and Ebay. You might get a good deal that way. (I used to buy a lot of discs through Half.com sellers and found some pretty rare titles for very reasonable prices.) Edited to add: http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Chicago-South-Side-1923-1930-CD-Mar-2002-2-Discs-Fremeaux-Associes-/3507237#

Oh, I don't believe their PR and never have. But the juxtaposition of the squeaky-clean image (and I literally mean "image," not reality) with this is especially disturbing, imo. although I'm not really a football fan, my take is that Paterno should have gone at least 15 years ago, if not sooner. And... I have to wonder how much of a part Sandusky played in getting the team into the Big 10. It seems like that's one plausible (if sickening) reason that people looked the other way. Am not exactly sure if the State College PD would have handled things properly, supposing they had been contacted about one or more of the incidents described in the grand jury report. The thing is, there have to be more... people who are afraid to talk or, for whatever reason, literally are not able to speak up. (I have very strong opinions on the moneyed alums, too, but.) Edited to add: I can't help wondering about what's been going on with Penn State's women's basketball team, too, and just how much Renee Portland got away with (possibly) before she was fired. At any rate, recruitment etc. scandals are one thing, but Sandusky's offenses are another kind of thing entirely.