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yeah, I would believe that to be true.
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Right. Cooper-Moore related a story of how David S. Ware didn't listen to "jazz" though he apparently listened to a lot of Beyoncé. Whether anything specific from Beyoncé's music factored into his own sound I am a bit doubtful, though of course she does have the gospel projection thing. A fair amount of composers and improvisers also don't listen to much or any music outside of what's in their heads or made up the foundation of their practice -- Andrew Hill apparently stopped consciously listening to any music for years, I've read.
For me as a listener it goes the other way, in that learning how to pay close attention to music has allowed me to hear things in an artist that I might not otherwise hear, though that can also be a negative -- the hype on brat is crazy right now, but I tried listening and feel like it's utterly empty compared to Charli XCX's earlier work.
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9 hours ago, JSngry said:
Yeah, all I do know is that if you would have asked any of the more "spiritual" African,-American musicians of the 70s that I knew if they had been checking out Les Baxter...that would have been a hard no. Absolutely a hard no.
And I'm still not sure exactly how much Ra loved that stuff. I'm certain that he heard it and took some ideas from some elements from it, but that's as far as I'd go.
Now, I think he loved Fletcher Henderson. And who could blame him?
Agree with this assessment -- Ra was musically omnivorous (as he was philosophically and in the literary sense), applying motifs from all over the place. I would be quite surprised if someone like Albert Mangelsdorff or Michael Garrick was seriously into Les Baxter or Martin Denny, though I'm sure they were aware of the landscape. Garrick was also composing masses and liturgical music as well as writing around poets, so he knew how to programmatically assemble things and create moods. He was quite an interesting character.
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I think it is a good record but not necessarily a great one.
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On 7/10/2024 at 11:56 AM, mjazzg said:
Lloyd McNeill - Asha [Asha Recording Co. Inc., US RE date unknown]
Very pleased to score this, the first reissue on McNeill's own label with artwork by him. The first press is now getting very costly so this will do me until my lottery win. Can anyone shed any light on when it may have been released?
early 80s I think.
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I assume non-western instrumentation, shorter tracks, and vamps. The term "exotica" is not one of my favorites either, but like "spiritual jazz" it's probably here to stay.
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It's impossible to hear even a tiny fraction of what music exists on the planet.
I buy a lot of things unheard/unseen/unfamiliar, but usually one has some parameters within which to work. Does the format of the band or tunes interest me? Track lengths? If it's an LP, what does the cover art look like?
Not everything is gonna be one's cuppa, either. I saw Argue's Secret Society a couple of times. I appreciated what he was/they were working on but did not buy the CDs.
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Thanks!
The trio is really wonderful. Their set at Vision this summer was extraordinary. -
oh yeah, there's a massive amount of music out there, and it often takes time to really get more than passing acquaintance with a lot of it.
I'd say that this board has helped me become more egalitarian in my approach to the music. If we're talking denominations, traditional jazz, swing, "cool" jazz, and fusion to me are on par with bop and the avant-garde.
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25 or so years ago when I started getting interested in the Pentangle, I had gone to the WFMU record fair and a perfect Canadian stereo of their debut album, which I'd heard and loved, was staring me in the face at the first table, first record. Definitely was hoping to pick up their records at the fair. Of course now I know they are a dime a dozen.
A buddy of mine around the same time or a few years earlier apparently woke up one day thinking "it would be cool if I found the Ric Colbeck in a store" and walked into a shop and found one for like $6.
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Not my gig, but passing the word along. It will be great.
Also I'll be bringing a stack of books along if anyone needs a copy of Singularity Codex.
QuoteElysium Furnace Works is proud to present the return to Beacon, NY by one of the world's most tirelessly creative, radically inspired and innovative pianists, leading one of the most celebrated piano trios of the modern era: the Matthew Shipp Trio. Featuring the extraordinary rhythm section of Hudson Valley-based bassist Michael Bisio and drummer Newman Taylor Baker, the Matthew Shipp Trio will perform on Saturday, July 13, appearing once more at St. Andrew's and St. Luke's Church, 15 South Ave. in Beacon, where the group last performed in 2016. The MST performs in support of their acclaimed new recording, New Concepts in Piano Trio Jazz, released by the legendary ESP-Disk' record label.
Tickets are $20 in advance and $30 at the door — advance tickets are on sale at https://mstrio.eventbrite.com/ (please note: advance sales end at midnight the night before the concert).
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For sure.
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Too bad. Too young.
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yeah, seen that before. Hilarious.
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Adjacent are collectors who don't seem to know or care to know anything about the music and its context.
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On 7/8/2024 at 10:57 AM, Rabshakeh said:
John Coltrane - Plays
I always think of this one as the forgotten jewel. Rarely mentioned but some of Coltrane's absolute best playing.
agreed, fantastic album. I have my father's copy bought new in the late 60s. It still has the Bob Hyatt's Stereo Center (Rochester, NY) price code sticker affixed.
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I will definitely be scooping this up. It is sure to be an education.
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yeah, that is excellent. I've seen that band (or a version of it) live, and was blown away.
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Excellent session, sound quality is fine.
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6 hours ago, corto maltese said:
I don't think "Balls" ever came with a poster.
No matter, it is indeed a great record.
There's some sort of poster or flyer with the 200 copy version as per 'scogs, though that could've just been with the copy someone uploaded.
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25 minutes ago, mjazzg said:
It's great. Mine's the first reissue from 1977
The most recent reissue appears to have been this from a while ago
https://www.discogs.com/release/3057020-Brötzmann-Van-Hove-Bennink-Balls
I have the second 70s pressing, not silkscreened but early labels. No poster. It is a fascinating album.
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do they cover the Jazz Composers' Orchestra concert?
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48 minutes ago, sidewinder said:
One of the Strata-East/Pure Pleasure LPs. Interesting session - sounds like a bit of 'Bitches Brew' influence in there plus David Lee on drums gives it a sound which is akin to Rollins' Milestone LPs of this era.
Incidentally my Tolliver 'Impact' had an OK side 1 but some unknown Krautrock on side 2. Commendably, Pure Pleasure are replacing it with a new copy.
weird re: Tolliver reissue!
That Rouse is such a great album. Back in the day I thought it was too "funky" but at this point in time I am quite a fan.
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I've instructed my wife to sell it all through a reputable shop... of course I am youngish now but who knows what can happen. I have told her to consign if she can, as that would bring her top dollar.
Then again if I make it another 40 years or so, it is highly unlikely that I'll still have a massive collection and it will have been sold/consigned long before.
What vinyl are you spinning right now??
in The Vinyl Frontier
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Armonicord is killer! Picked it up semi-randomly at La Dame Blanche in Paris around 23 years ago (only knew a couple of musicians on the record) and was blown away. The recent archival CD on NoBusiness (featuring a similar lineup) is also splendid.