clifford_thornton

That is a true story, though. Milford and Giuseppi came by Mike Snow's loft where the NYAQ were practicing (with Moore and Moses), and apparently Graves asked to sit in and you can imagine where it went from there, sonically. J.C. Moses is an excellent drummer, but the NYAQ wouldn't be what it was without Milford. Of course, J.C. was doing some things post-64 that were really great in the free idiom, but if you think of how he was playing with the NYC5, it wouldn't have fit as well. Don Moore is good, but when you look at the bassists who were in the NYAQ (ironically, they couldn't keep them for very long), Worrell, Swallow, Gomez, and Workman are all quite different players both from one another and from Moore. It would have been cool to see Eddie Gomez with them - he's great with Milford on the Giuseppi and Bley sides.

Though I don't really have time to participate in the BFT, I look forward to seeing what you pick, brownie!

Wow, amazing interview! Thanks!

All those are great, for vastly different reasons. And though the Hasaan is a Collectables CD, the rest are overdue for a proper reissue... Mohawk is sweet, but that Monterose is a seriously heavy slab!

Very true - though I guess the original thrust of the thread was "inside-outside," so it depends on where you draw the line on that. Personally, I guess 75% or more of my jazz collection falls somewhere in this camp of non-BN inside-OUTSIDE stuff. Wonder how those Vocalion and Lonehill and all those other Britjazz reissues are selling? That is a crucial era/area of improvised music that needs not only re-documenting, but also attention from jazz fans worldwide. A few of my favorites: Ric Colbeck - The Sun is Coming Up - (Fontana UK) Englishman Ric played trumpet with Noah Howard's NY groups of the mid- to late-60s; this is his only issued session under his own name, a great, smokin' quartet with Mike Osborne, J-F Jenny Clarke and Sel Lissack on drums. Free, but very melodic and listenable. Rec. London, 1970 Dizzy Reece - From In to Out - (Futura) Dizzy's lone "outside" record that I know of, a modal freebop stormer with John Gilmore, Art Taylor, Siegfried Kessler, and bassist Patrice Caratini. Paris, 1970. Bobby Bradford - Love's Dream - (Emanem) sorry Chuck, have to go with this one over the SME title you reissued. Great quartet juggernaut with insane Trevor Watts alto solos, John Stevens playing deep-listening postbop drums and Kent Carter providing the engine. Rec. Paris, 1973. Amalgam - Prayer for Peace - (Transatlantic) beautiful trio music from Watts, Stevens and either Jeff Clyne or Barry Guy on bass. Emotionally eviscerating but never too "out," rec. London 1969. Ted Curson - Urge - (Fontana) this one has been given mad props all over this site, but I'll bump it up again. Great pianoless quartet with Booker Ervin blowing hard and free, Edgar Bateman adding great pan-temporal rhythms and strong support from Jimmy Woode on bass. Rec. Baarn, Holland, 1966. Tony Oxley - The Baptised Traveller - (CBS Realm) early Brit free jazz not completely out of the American mode yet, but a strong, melodic and well-organized date that now seems light years away from any of the Incus catalog. Oxley, Parker, Wheeler, Bailey and Clyne - can't go wrong here! Rec. London, 1969. Manfred Schoof - Voices - (CBS) Not too well-known, but a great freebop quintet mining the Ayler-Ornette-Cecil bag for a German sensibility that was just coming into its own. Schoof is joned by Schlippenbach, Gerd Dudek (tenor), Buschi Niebergall (smokes Kowald) and Jaki Liebezeit (yes, THAT one) on the trumpeter's first date as a leader. Rec. Frankfurt, 1966. More to come...

Duel is a motherfucker...

I wish I could contribute to this thread - I haven't heard this in several years, and don't even think I have a reference copy anymore! Really like the Byard-Carter-Haynes combo, though I've often thought Mal was a better complement to Dolphy's playing. Sure, both Byard and Dolphy are rooted in tradition while simultaneously being on the tip of the vanguard, and both have a healthy dose of eclecticism (albeit Dolphy's was in the tunes he called, while Byard's was both in tunes and soloing), but Mal was the perfect grounding while still being harmonically on the same page. Just MHO, of course...

Frank Lowe - Black Beings - (ESP original) fairly rough pressing, but the music comes through it somehow!

That looks cool. The only Lindberg session I've had is the trio with Lyons and Sunny on Hat Hut. Nothing against him - good bass player - but I always wished that LP was a duo.

I read it that way too, just now, so I think it's our eyes - and the fact that she's a little "macha." Get Gemma Ward in here, quick!

That Gokudo site is cool. That Hutch cover is kinda nuts.

I actually didn't know he was still alive up to this point... Sad news, in any event.

They also have a duo on Boxholder which is pretty good, Toronto 1997. I have a session on Alacra (M. Pavone's label) called The Bell of the Heart, which I thought would be better than it is (too precious for my tastes), but the band is kind of interesting in a Connecticut underground sort of way.

Really? Huh. I picture fold-downs as something occuring later than '62-'64. Guess not. Want to elaborate, Chuck?

The Montmartre disc is pretty heavy. Used to have an original flipback LP of it, but the cover was jacked so it became expendable. Probably should have kept it, though...

I have that old BN twofer as well as an original Roulette of Uhuru Afrika, the latter seems a bit out of place in his discography if I'm not mistaken (conceptually). Probably need to bust out Little Niles for another listen!

Where is this from?

One of my exes took a couple of Revenants, including the Charlie Feathers set...

Funny, I was looking at a Milford Graves discography and saw that Sonny Morgan played on all those Montego Joe records, too. Sonny's fine with Milford on their ESP (1015 - the "Nothing" record), and he's also on Kenny Barron's Peruvian Blue (which I like a lot). However, was unaware that he was recorded so much.

Real big on Donald Garrett, so this has potential. I hadn't picked it up for the main reason that some of Jarman's other records from the period - including that trio with Dyani - really don't do it for me. Dyani I usually love as well, but that Black Saint trio record sucks.

That's interesting, didn't know about the death of Esoldun-INA. I've seen those records around, though not the Coltrane ALS. As per the original post, Impulse monos sound phenomenal. I think it's a greater difference than with Blue Notes, though I could be mis-hearing.

Good to know - I often forget those little round things exist!

Intersection without superimposition. Parallel. Considering what I think of with records like Smokestack, it does make sense.

The band on Soul Eyes is sick; must be pretty early in Ntshoko's discography, no? Keep eyeing Rules of Freedom, one of these days will be eyeing it with my wallet. Anything from the late '60s with Art Taylor has got to be heavy... Also, his new one is nice - The Other Side of Morning - and it's available from Mr. Davis directly from the website, I believe. Here's an interview done over at AAJ, which doesn't spend enough time on the early shit, but which is still fairly informative: Nathan Davis on AAJ

Agreed, very enticing!