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Agreed. Tougher life for them than it is for us.

Noah Howard - Space Dimension - (America original) with Frank Wright, Bobby Few, Art Taylor and Muhammad Ali on one track. A great group!

Don't worry, Chuck, Chaney started it... Though for a while I thought it was David Ayers' doing.

Think so! Thanks for the reminder... I have a couple of those Ap-Gu-Ga LPs and they're solid.

Exactly!

Yes, happy birthday! And one of these days hope to hear what you learned from Zitro!

He's great on the few sessions I've heard him on. Will have to seek this Cadence issue out...

Pianist Lowell Davidson, who had a single record on ESP with Graves and Peacock, was an integral part of the Boston scene up through the 80s. Apparently he exacted a pretty strong influence on a number of people working there, including guitarist Joe Morris. In the 70s: saxophonists Michael Cosmic and Phill Musra, and drummer Huseyin Ertunc (of Turkish heritage) had a powerful post-AACM trio that recorded under each of their names, as well as in the World's Experience Orchestra. Trumpeter Mark Harvey is a regular fixture in the Boston scene, and had some pretty engaging small groups in the '70s and '80s, including a rare trio on Bush Records. David Ware and Cooper-Moore studied at Berklee, and their Apogee group began in Boston, with Marc Edwards on drums and occasionally Chris Amberger on bass (great former Oakland-area bassist who played with Smiley Winters). Of course, the history of that group is well-documented. Edit for a few more names: Raphe Malik, Dennis Warren, Billy Elgart, John Voigt, Laurence Cook... will try to think of a few more.

Whoa!

She's gorgeous!

Wish I still did a jazz radio show! Was at WNUR in 2003; KJHK (Univ. Kansas) 2000-1997ish. Those were the days... For sure I would've programmed the Reptet!

Almost over the midweek hump... John Coltrane - Coltrane in Japan (Impulse/Columbia Japan box version)

Funny Rat is kind of hard to navigate. I try to post in there sometimes, but even I don't know what they're talking about most of the time!

What about those great Savoy avant-garde sessions from the late '60s? Marc Levin, Ed Curran, Marzette Watts, Bob Pozar (the Dixons were pre-65, hence I don't mention them) are have superb inside-outside dates for the label. Also, the Charles Moffett and Valdo Williams, which though not produced by Bill Dixon, still fall within the camp somewhat. Great stuff! And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention all those late '60s-early '70s Mal Waldron trios on various obscure European labels, as well as some Japanese titles. Some fairly interchangeable, but as an opus, the material is pretty great. I like Blood and Guts (Futura) quite a bit, especially.

Did anybody mention DeJohnette's Have You Heard? (Milestone or CBS, depending...) session? Well whatever, it's a heavy record for sure - found I preferred it to The DeJohnette Complex anyway, on which Jack mostly plays melodica and electric piano, IIRC. The CBS Japanese gatefold edition is cool, and sounds waaay better than the Milestone - those half-hour sides are helped by serious quality vinyl!

HB! There are still a few of us youngsters left (yourself included)!

That is a true story, though. Milford and Giuseppi came by Mike Snow's loft where the NYAQ were practicing (with Moore and Moses), and apparently Graves asked to sit in and you can imagine where it went from there, sonically. J.C. Moses is an excellent drummer, but the NYAQ wouldn't be what it was without Milford. Of course, J.C. was doing some things post-64 that were really great in the free idiom, but if you think of how he was playing with the NYC5, it wouldn't have fit as well. Don Moore is good, but when you look at the bassists who were in the NYAQ (ironically, they couldn't keep them for very long), Worrell, Swallow, Gomez, and Workman are all quite different players both from one another and from Moore. It would have been cool to see Eddie Gomez with them - he's great with Milford on the Giuseppi and Bley sides.

Though I don't really have time to participate in the BFT, I look forward to seeing what you pick, brownie!

Wow, amazing interview! Thanks!

All those are great, for vastly different reasons. And though the Hasaan is a Collectables CD, the rest are overdue for a proper reissue... Mohawk is sweet, but that Monterose is a seriously heavy slab!

Very true - though I guess the original thrust of the thread was "inside-outside," so it depends on where you draw the line on that. Personally, I guess 75% or more of my jazz collection falls somewhere in this camp of non-BN inside-OUTSIDE stuff. Wonder how those Vocalion and Lonehill and all those other Britjazz reissues are selling? That is a crucial era/area of improvised music that needs not only re-documenting, but also attention from jazz fans worldwide. A few of my favorites: Ric Colbeck - The Sun is Coming Up - (Fontana UK) Englishman Ric played trumpet with Noah Howard's NY groups of the mid- to late-60s; this is his only issued session under his own name, a great, smokin' quartet with Mike Osborne, J-F Jenny Clarke and Sel Lissack on drums. Free, but very melodic and listenable. Rec. London, 1970 Dizzy Reece - From In to Out - (Futura) Dizzy's lone "outside" record that I know of, a modal freebop stormer with John Gilmore, Art Taylor, Siegfried Kessler, and bassist Patrice Caratini. Paris, 1970. Bobby Bradford - Love's Dream - (Emanem) sorry Chuck, have to go with this one over the SME title you reissued. Great quartet juggernaut with insane Trevor Watts alto solos, John Stevens playing deep-listening postbop drums and Kent Carter providing the engine. Rec. Paris, 1973. Amalgam - Prayer for Peace - (Transatlantic) beautiful trio music from Watts, Stevens and either Jeff Clyne or Barry Guy on bass. Emotionally eviscerating but never too "out," rec. London 1969. Ted Curson - Urge - (Fontana) this one has been given mad props all over this site, but I'll bump it up again. Great pianoless quartet with Booker Ervin blowing hard and free, Edgar Bateman adding great pan-temporal rhythms and strong support from Jimmy Woode on bass. Rec. Baarn, Holland, 1966. Tony Oxley - The Baptised Traveller - (CBS Realm) early Brit free jazz not completely out of the American mode yet, but a strong, melodic and well-organized date that now seems light years away from any of the Incus catalog. Oxley, Parker, Wheeler, Bailey and Clyne - can't go wrong here! Rec. London, 1969. Manfred Schoof - Voices - (CBS) Not too well-known, but a great freebop quintet mining the Ayler-Ornette-Cecil bag for a German sensibility that was just coming into its own. Schoof is joned by Schlippenbach, Gerd Dudek (tenor), Buschi Niebergall (smokes Kowald) and Jaki Liebezeit (yes, THAT one) on the trumpeter's first date as a leader. Rec. Frankfurt, 1966. More to come...

Duel is a motherfucker...

I wish I could contribute to this thread - I haven't heard this in several years, and don't even think I have a reference copy anymore! Really like the Byard-Carter-Haynes combo, though I've often thought Mal was a better complement to Dolphy's playing. Sure, both Byard and Dolphy are rooted in tradition while simultaneously being on the tip of the vanguard, and both have a healthy dose of eclecticism (albeit Dolphy's was in the tunes he called, while Byard's was both in tunes and soloing), but Mal was the perfect grounding while still being harmonically on the same page. Just MHO, of course...

Frank Lowe - Black Beings - (ESP original) fairly rough pressing, but the music comes through it somehow!

That looks cool. The only Lindberg session I've had is the trio with Lyons and Sunny on Hat Hut. Nothing against him - good bass player - but I always wished that LP was a duo.