sjarrell

Reacting to this: "The only difference is that I have been listening to music since I was three, in a place -- NYC -- where I was exposed to any and all types of music." Just saying that we had music here, too. You misinterpreted. Now, really. Fork.

That looks an awful lot like a big-ass fork.

Very odd given my last post. Honestly, you lost me with the reassertion of the jealousy thing. Not good at ignoring, obviously. But I'll keep trying, and I will never, never agree that popular music since Bonham died is without merit and so impossibly far from greatness that it can never again be achieved. My iPod is loaded with an obsessive amount of Blue Note Material, a stack of Mosaics/Selects, 6 years worth of EMusic OJCs, Babyshambles, Zeppelin, Radiohead, The Ramones, the Clash, Super Furry Animals, Supergrass, Blur, Oasis, Game Theory, Fishbone, Ellington, Hodges, Public Enemy, Cheap Trick, Gorky's Zygotic Mynci, Gilberto Gil, Gal Costa, Marisa Monte, Baby Huey, Pixies, Brownie, Roach, Chet Baker, Kool and the Gang, Zombies, Smiths, Tribe Called Quest, Small Faces, Specials, Orange Juice, Posies, Art Pepper, JAMC, Euros Childs, Gruff Rhys, Nick Drake, Elliott Smith and Big Star. The common thread is that, obviously, I like it all. And I'm sure there's music I've never heard that I'd love if I did. If I'm lucky, I'll find it, or it'll find me.

Any jealousy sensed is a (very strange) product of your imagination. Strummer/Jones did write great tunes, and your inability/unwillingness to see that is pretty much the problem here. I don't keep up with the rock the way I used to. 'Cause I am old. I don't write it off w/out listening, though. And now, my favorite tune from the last 5 years: The Good the Bad and the Queen, Friday Night in the Kingdom of Doom Let's compile a list, folks. First of all, aren't you the one who said that New Yorkers had everything spoonfed to them? Sounds like jealousy to me. My dislike of the Clash is not a problem from where I sit. Just a matter of taste. It's very strange on your part that you seem to believe that great discussions are only the product of complete and total agreement. Let's say for argument's sake that the Clash wrote a few good tunes. Still comes nowhere close to the number of GREAT tunes written by Lennon, McCartney or both, or even Pete Townshend or even Bruce/Brown as mentioned above or Page/Plant. The list goes on. I can appreciate a good tune in today's music. As a matter of fact, before I went whole hog into jazz about 16 years ago, I tried really hard to LIKE the music of the day. I researched, I spent loads of money on cd's, etc. I found nothing, and I knew I couldn't just limit myself to classic rock. That's when I found King Crimson. They in some way appealed to my burgeoning jazz sensibilities. I still buy their cd's to this day. I also do not keep up with rock the way I used to. I choose to focus on my love of jazz. The only reason I even still listen to rock these days is because it gives me another way to circumvent the generational divide between me and my children. I listen to their music -- even Green Day, hip-hop, rap, Disney Corporate pop, etc. But every once in awhile I'll take the opportunity to share the music I grew up on with them. And believe it or not, it gives us something other than sports scores and play dates to talk about!!! Anyway, I understand differences of opinions, and maybe I was being too aggressive in sharing mine. But, it's just that -- my own opinion. 4+ years and I've never used the Ignore Member feature. Let's see how that thing works.

Any jealousy sensed is a (very strange) product of your imagination. Strummer/Jones did write great tunes, and your inability/unwillingness to see that is pretty much the problem here. I don't keep up with the rock the way I used to. 'Cause I am old. I don't write it off w/out listening, though. And now, my favorite tune from the last 5 years: The Good the Bad and the Queen, Friday Night in the Kingdom of Doom Let's compile a list, folks.

You may be right, but the question remains: where are the stars? Stars of the past didn't need no stinkin' press agents. This is a function of today's corporate environment. Tell me truthfully, though -- do you hear any guitar solos today that make your hair stand on end? Like, for example, Clapton's duo of solos in Cream's live version of "Crossroads", which still gets me everytime. No need to flame, that's just one that does it for me. I do not hear the same kind of virtuousity in the rock and roll of the last 20 or so years. Please stop with the Clapton. Please. What went wrong with virtuoso rock? Punk stuck a big-ass fork in it. Edited for extra snark. Why so snarky, sj? Why not just stick to answering the question. Punk was not a reaction to virtuoso rock, it was a reflection of the changing times. It was what it was, and everybody knew it sucked (and had little staying power in order to stick a big-ass fork in rock, as you say), but they listened to it anyway just to be "hip". Did you actually think that bands like the Clash could "play" their instruments? Again, please point me in the direction of music with staying power. I beg you. I'm open-minded, and young. I promise I'd be willing to listen. A)Strummer/Jones wrote better songs than Clapton. Shelley/Diggle wrote better songs than Clapton. Paul Weller wrote better songs than Clapton, and occasionally still knocks one out of the park. It was never about virtuosity or star-power, it was about the tunes and passion. It was about youth and not about the old farts of the last generation. B)There's a long list of current music with "staying power" in this thread. Go. Listen.

You may be right, but the question remains: where are the stars? Stars of the past didn't need no stinkin' press agents. This is a function of today's corporate environment. Tell me truthfully, though -- do you hear any guitar solos today that make your hair stand on end? Like, for example, Clapton's duo of solos in Cream's live version of "Crossroads", which still gets me everytime. No need to flame, that's just one that does it for me. I do not hear the same kind of virtuousity in the rock and roll of the last 20 or so years. Please stop with the Clapton. Please. What went wrong with virtuoso rock? Punk stuck a big-ass fork in it. Edited for extra snark.

You know, I think the era of the rock superstar is past. MSN regularly throws Britney, Paris, American Idol-ers at me- the media pumps celebrity at the receptive masses and kids don't just get to be stars on the back of actual talent. They used to could, I think. It's not that talent and vision are gone. The star-makers are just busy elsewhere, pushing trainwrecks and mediocrity. Rock needs a new press agent.

That's a big affirmative. Thank you too, Shawn. How's this for impact?: Which drummer is sampled on just about every rap and hip hop record put out here in the good old US of A? I'm going to guess John Bonham. I would think that Clyde Stubblefield has been sampled a HELL of a lot more than John Boham. How about Jerome “Bigfoot” Brailey or Ramon "Tiki" Fulwood? Tony Thompson? I would think that all of those guys have been sampled more often than John Bonham! You are incorrect. Bonham has been credited by all the usual suspects in those other genres. Shall I start a new thread? Yes, please. :lol:

I grew up in NC, where I had to learn how to forage for goodness in lieu of having it served up. But we had music here when I was 3 too. I was six when I missed Monk's week at the Frog & Nightgown. I did see the Monkees that year. My memory's pretty vague, but it's my understanding that Hendrix opened that tour. My 5 year old likes the Monkees.

Nice avatar. Hadn't heard Bazerk in years and picked it up last week to enjoy some Bomb Squad that I hadn't already memorized. Holy crap that's a wall of sound. What's gone wrong with rap? Kids these days...

I wasn't calling you a hippie! I was talking about 60s artists in a grossly general sorta way. And I exempted Page from the glorified label. I mean, have you hear Celebration Day lately? Still, the death of rock is being exaggerated in certain quarters. How come the death of country, r&b and rap is being ignored? Is classical dead? Jazz? All have had periods of good ideas exploding everywhere, followed by periods of widespread mediocrity. But there's always little pockets of goodness post heyday...

I agree that Action Pact isn't that good, but seriously, Never Hear the End of It sounds like some sort of pop-rock masterpiece to me. I'll listen on my lunch break. Heard the one that came out 6/10 yet?

Technical brilliance should never be confused with actual brilliance. It's like being an ace typist. Though I'll admit that Hendrix and Page made brilliant things, Clapton was only vaguely useful if he was in an interesting band with someone called Allman, and the others (with the possible exception of SRV- I've never listened) are glorified session men. Plenty of folks can still write a good tune, too. This gets us back to the 90-95% of everything is and always has been crap, music, film, art etc. Like every freakin' hippie in the 60s was brilliant? PS for the anti-Radiohead crew: They're really good, and In Rainbows bears that out. For me, anyway.

I've always liked the three that followed better. Pretty Together's the first one that I didn't like so much. Everything since I've yet to try, but it's all in the iPod but the new one. Speaking of acts on Yep Roc in the US, the new Paul Weller's out today, and Mojo was floored by it. Anyone heard it?

can't believe i am not the only fan here (guess nobody has figured out my avatar so far)... i am not promising i will still treasure this in 10 years, but don't miss the libertines albums and the libertines demos that are available for download in several places (legally)... edit: i mean especially the leg ii sesion: http://djmonstermo.blogspot.com/2005/02/li...ines-demos.html hope the links work Thanks for the link! Lazy Sunday? Hell yes! Close my eyes and drift away... Edit: The demos and Lazy Sunday are broken, alas. Guess I'll play the Small Faces one.

can't believe i am not the only fan here (guess nobody has figured out my avatar so far)... i am not promising i will still treasure this in 10 years, but don't miss the libertines albums and the libertines demos that are available for download in several places (legally)... edit: i mean especially the leg ii sesion: http://djmonstermo.blogspot.com/2005/02/li...ines-demos.html hope the links work The Libertines were a great group, if incredibly short lived. They were one of those amazingly gifted bands that flared up and burned out just as quickly. I remember when Babyshambles started releasing material, I was a little skeptical. I honestly didn't expect Doherty to live long enough to record much of anything post-Libertines. I was surprised and delighted that Babyshambles is as good as it is. I still don't expect Doherty to live very long, but maybe he'll turn out to be like Keith Richards (my theory is that Keith actually died back in the late 60s, but that he just kept on showing up to work, so Mick and the boys never got around to telling him). I'm also quite fond of Barât's Dirty Pretty Things. Here's another artist I forgot to mention: Damon Albarn. Blur may have been a fan fav for some, but they always came off like a poor man's Oasis to me. Albarn's post-Blur career has been something quite else. I enjoyed both Gorillaz albums and Albarn's recent project, The Good, The Bad, and The Queen (produced by Brian "Danger Mouse" Burton, who also did the second Gorillaz album). Any album that includes both DM AND Tony Allen (of Fela Kuti fame) is worth hearing! I can't believe I neglected to mention TGTB&TQ earlier. It might be the best pop record I've ever heard. And every time I hear it it's better than the last, over a year down the road. PS Libertines/DPT/Babyshambles?

A: The bad thing about rock is that it's not all as good as Supergrass' Diamond Hoo Ha. Or Gruff Rhys' Candylion. 95% of everything is still crap, always has been, and if you're not seeking out the good stuff, it's not gonna find you. B: I'm old enough that I hear everyone's influences, and it makes it hard for me to take what the kids play seriously. Just like when the old guys were bustin' on my Mary Chain lps in college, saying they were just riffing on the Velvets. Sure they were. But they were cooler. I'm sure the kids think their 4th generation Kevin Shields wannabes are cooler than MBV ever was. Edit: Oasis were monstrously good (in an idiot sort of way) for exactly one album (Definitely Maybe) and one single (Whatever). Then the ideas went away. I can't listen to Nirvana anymore. Not because it's not good, but the time just seems past.

Boom! Mr. Roberts has arrived. Thanks!

Buy Kevin Breshnahan's cd/mp3 disc changer w/ fm transmitter, if he still has it...

Today my kid gave me a plastic shell for the iPod so I can be more careless. And to top it off he handed me a Moon Pie for breakfast. Happy Father's Day! I got my 80gb one in February, and now every time I want to add something I have to remove other stuff. I wish I'd gotten the 160! But it goes everywhere with me- car, work- there's no system I can't run it through. CDs? Bah. Cumbersome.

I'm listening to John Jenkins w/ Kenny Burrell right now, and that's one that might be under the radar. Clark/Chambers/Richmond round out the band, and it swings like mad.

I don't know if I'd call all of those indispensable, but Soul Station (and Mobe's Roll Call, Workout/Another Workout) certainly are. True Blue and Open Sesame? Hell yes. I might pick a different Morgan (Lee-Way?), would recommend McLean's Let Freedom Ring over New Soil, add Ike Quebec's Blue and Sentimental, change the Byrd to a Pepper Adams collaboration (pick one, you can't go wrong), throw in some Big John Patton (Oh Baby! or Along Came John)... I could go on all day, but no time. Una Mas, not Toccata. Comin' Your Way, not Never Let Me Go (or Up at Minton's!). But Never Let Me Go is swell too. Maybe get 'em all?

PM'd re: Howard Roberts' Good Pickin's

Happy birthday!!!