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no Interesting record, but no from me too. Alan was really interesting but he wasn't trying to do what Wayne was. I love this album, but it's not in the same category as any of the Wayne BNs (or probably any of his recent work, either). As for Leslie Waldron, she (or he) is only on one Noah Howard LP as far as I know. Nobody I've talked to on the "scene" then remembered this person other than, maybe, "the name sounds familiar." Waldron is mentioned (by name) as being a 212 Artists Colony regular in the book accompanying the Aboriginal Music Society set on Eremite. I mostly asked the question to raise folks' consciousness (very 60s, lol) on this album. Wayne's JUJU, NIGHT DREAMER and SPEAK NO EVIL are a cut above, I suppose, but I think Alan's album matches up to most of Wayne's other output after that, and most definitely the more recent stuff. Alan's work is tough, muscular, forward-looking, and I really appreciate that. I do appreciate you all's feedback. Listening to:

45rpm. 1993. Ken Vandermark, Kent Kessler, Michael Zerang, Daniel Scanlan.

Question: Is this Alan Shorter album better than any one album his brother Wayne made?

My dealer says no. They work, then they don't work. No prolonged decline. Like everything in audio, probably up for grabs.

When they go, they go completely, so I am told. I have had bad tubes; no problem telling that they went bad.

The Bo' Weavil reissue. Leslie Waldron is listed as playing piano on the album. I can't find out much about her. Seems like she only played on 2 Noah Howard albums, and that's it. Anyone know anything about her? Any connection to Mal Waldron?

Um...OK. You said that you would get in the car and go to the police thereby trusting them to follow through [though the first thing they would ask is if you filed a report with CPS, you know, following orders]. You didn't say you would hunt the molester down yourself. Am I right? Isn't that exactly what I just said to Jim? Applying your logic, wouldn't that also be "acquit(ing) yourself of further responsibility"? There is a huge difference between telling some middle manager who probably owes his job to you, and telling the police who have a statutory authority to investigate and prosecute criminal activity. You are like the guys who were indicted; apparently you can't figure out that little lesson in civics. Going to the police in such cases is fulfilling my responsibility. Paterno did not do that. Nobody did that. Shameful. You seem to be conflating workplace decorum and criminal conduct. If you show up late for a meeting, your boss tells his/her boss, you end up with a reprimand. You rape someone in the storeroom, it is no longer a matter of workplace performance, but criminal conduct requiring police attention. He is a football coach, Leeway...not God. He may have tons of this power you speak of, but only with regard to PSU athletics/football. He is the best-known, longest-serving football coach, enormously prestigious and powerful. In Happy Valley, he is a god. But you don't have to be god to pick up a phone and call the cops. You just have to have a conscience. Paterno and the school admin guys chose to allow Sandusky to prey on kids rather than allow these things to come to light. That's why they are all fired and/or indicted. Paterno reported to his superiors. The mark of a good leader. No, the mark of a follower, hardly a good leader. Once again, this is not about Performance Management. Paterno only had an allegation from the grad assistant to go on; no proof Sandusky was/is a child molester. Even accepting your version, that's enough to report the allegation to police. Paterno is a coach not the CPS or the police or the court system. No, he is not that, nor expected to be. As a coach, teacher and school employee, he had an obligation to at least report it. This is not stealing paper clips, we're talking child rape here. Paterno was not the eye witness. That's a craven argument. Does he have to be to report an the witness testimony of someone under his command to the police? That's leadership. He didn't let anybody abuse children; Sandusky did that on his own and in secrecy. Sandusly did it, Paterno enabled it. Pick up the phione and calling the cops is NOT EVIDENCE nor is it legal and dutiful reporting procedure. You obviously don't know how the system works. Calling the cops is not evidence, but it give the cops a chance to gather evidence. You obviously do not know how the system works or why the checks and balances are in place regarding the reporting of child abuse. Paterno and his school VP and President cronies blew right through the checks and balances. Frankly, you really don't know what you are talking about here. I am as disgusted by the systematic abuse of children by that Sandusky asshole as you are, OK? Thank you. We agree on the most important point.

He *didn't* wait ten years. He promptly reported it to his boss, Joe Paterno. That is exactly what you said earlier in this thread that employees are supposed to do - use the chain of command, not go to the police. You're not being consistent here. It's not really a matter of a lack of consistency. Goodspeak has not bothered to master the simple facts of the case. Arguing with him is a fool's errand. Right. You the resident expert on "the simple facts of the case"? Then educate me oh wise one. Show me where I'm wrong. It is the opiate of the self-important to claim such superioirty, BM. If anyone has claimed self-importance and superiority on this thread it is you. Seems to me this is no longer about Paterno, it's about GoodSpeak.

Go, Shepp, Go: Great great lineup of musicians on this one!

Um...OK. You said that you would get in the car and go to the police thereby trusting them to follow through [though the first thing they would ask is if you filed a report with CPS, you know, following orders]. You didn't say you would hunt the molester down yourself. Am I right? Isn't that exactly what I just said to Jim? Applying your logic, wouldn't that also be "acquit(ing) yourself of further responsibility"? There is a huge difference between telling some middle manager who probably owes his job to you, and telling the police who have a statutory authority to investigate and prosecute criminal activity. You are like the guys who were indicted; apparently you can't figure out that little lesson in civics. Going to the police in such cases is fulfilling my responsibility. Paterno did not do that. Nobody did that. Shameful. You seem to be conflating workplace decorum and criminal conduct. If you show up late for a meeting, your boss tells his/her boss, you end up with a reprimand. You rape someone in the storeroom, it is no longer a matter of workplace performance, but criminal conduct requiring police attention. He is a football coach, Leeway...not God. He may have tons of this power you speak of, but only with regard to PSU athletics/football. He is the best-known, longest-serving football coach, enormously prestigious and powerful. In Happy Valley, he is a god. But you don't have to be god to pick up a phone and call the cops. You just have to have a conscience. Paterno and the school admin guys chose to allow Sandusky to prey on kids rather than allow these things to come to light. That's why they are all fired and/or indicted.

Staying with Shepp. I have the issue pictured below:

Says Good Speak: Think about it, Jim. If your house was ransacked and robbed would you get in your car and go looking for the thieves or would you make a police report and allow the people trusted with that duty to arrest then convict those criminals? Likewise, if I was told by someone I thought was credible, that a kid was raped by someone I knew, a co-worker (to put it in in its most basic terms), I would get in my car and drive to the police state and tell them. It occurs to me that your, "tell your boss, acquit yourself of further responsibility," is the obverse of the, "I was only following orders" defense. I also think your reading of the factual situation is naive, Paterno IS Penn State football. Has been for many decades. He's not some guy on an hourly wage cleaning up the gym. His authority and consequent level of responsibility is much, much higher. Thank goodness the Board of Trustees got it right.

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Hi Moms, I didn't see your post earlier. Just a few follow-up comments. We'll have to agree to disagree on "Ascenscion," but I do agree on "Sun Ship" and "Crescent." The position of all 3 of these albums to "A Love Supreme" is the position of mysticism to religion, rapture to theology, expression to statement. Mind you, ALS is still a wonderful album. On Braxton, I found his two "In The Tradition" albums indifferent and uninteresting. I know from previous posts that a lot of people like them, but I think these albums are liked for the same reason I dislike them: they are performed from within the tradition. I also think Braxton had the wrong players for his intentions (good musicians, but not to the purpose). By the time he got to the Charlie Parker Project, then the 23 and 20 Standards, he found his way of looking at "the tradition," from the outside, but employing certain traditional tropes to provide the in-out approach to the music. I like these recordings a whole lot more. I think his real genius though is in his own compositions. As for your comment on Roscoe Mitchell: Amen! Brilliant is an over-used word, but fits very nicely here.

Huntley and Palmer Crosse and Blackwell Lea and Perrins Regie Perrin CJ Reggie's Mother In Law Hippodrome Hippocrates Too Hip

This has long been a favorite of mine. Yes, great musicians and the creative fires were burning bright at the time. Listening to:

I would report it to my immediate supervisor then pretend i never saw it.

Christie's Auction House Christie Brinkley Huntley-Brinkley Report

You know the old joke? Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.

Spending some quality time with Dewey Redman. I like Dewey on the musette (tenor too of course). Thinking Dewey might be a good candidate for a Mosaic box.

I've listened to this CD several times over the last 6 or so months and just can't get into it. Really does nothing for me. No one seems at their best in these performances.

Only if he is guilty of some impropriety. Otherwise, there is no good reason for him to leave. I don't have any doubt he is guilty of "impropriety," and most responsible people don't either. Lucky for him the grand jury decided he wasn't guilty of a crime. Any other teacher (and that i what he is) would not have fared so well. You have set the standard so low for moral and ethical behavior that it would be a bad thing if it ever became common. Let me ask you: what if it was your kid in that shower? What if it was YOU in that shower? Which reminded me of this article: Paterno BYSTANDER Huh? Who are these "most responsible people" you speak of...all members of the court of opinion? Evidence, dear boy, where is the evidence to support your broad speculation? I won't even dignify your thoughtless questions about something which has no bearing at all on this case. How inappropriate. And completely abusive. Not so abused as the little boys that WERE abused. How utterly inappropriate of you to even insinuate that. Thoughtless questions? That's your problem: you don't want to deal with the situation as it was and is. Just some hyper technical point about evidence, as best as I can make out. You're wrong on that too. Hope nobody ever has to depend on you to step up and do the right thing.

Only if he is guilty of some impropriety. Otherwise, there is no good reason for him to leave. I don't have any doubt he is guilty of "impropriety," and most responsible people don't either. Lucky for him the grand jury decided he wasn't guilty of a crime. Any other teacher (and that i what he is) would not have fared so well. You have set the standard so low for moral and ethical behavior that it would be a bad thing if it ever became common. Let me ask you: what if it was your kid in that shower? What if it was YOU in that shower? Which reminded me of this article: Paterno BYSTANDER

Except for the ones I mentioned, I have the other Braxtons. I've never regretted getting a Braxton set. The music is important and enduring, and simply, I enjoy it. I hope that's not the case. I figure Leo needs to clear some stock and get some cash into the coffers. If it's worse than that, that would be bad indeed. Anyway, ordering can only help. I have all the Gratkowski titles listed except DEPLOYMENT, which I ordered in this sale. If you are unsure of Gratkowski, I would start with "CELEBRATIONS" and "UNPLUGGED MIND".