HutchFan Posted October 9 Report Posted October 9 Regarding "orchestras" in jazz: It's a duo album. Quote
jazzcorner Posted October 9 Report Posted October 9 (edited) On 10/8/2025 at 1:20 PM, Kevin Bresnahan said: I have never understood why some producers call a small band like this quintet an "orchestra". It's not an orchestra, it's a quintet. Here is another one : small group and/or 'orchestra' ????? Verve UMV 2686 (Japan 1980) - Roy Eldridge And His Orchestra " Rocking Chair" - rec. 1951 As listed in Tom Lord's Discography: Roy Eldridge (tp) / Buddy Tate (ts) / Teddy Brannon (p) / Claude Lombardi (g) / Charlie Smith (dr) Note: the liner notes of the LP list as rhythm section Oscar Peterson (p & org) / Barney Kessell (g) / Ray Brown (b) + string section dir. by George Williams on the following tracks: Basin Street Blues/ I see everybodys baby /Easter Parade and I remember Harlem. Edited October 9 by jazzcorner Quote
optatio Posted October 9 Report Posted October 9 24 minutes ago, jazzcorner said: Here is another one : small group and/or 'orchestra' ????? Verve UMV 2686 (Japan 1980) - Roy Eldridge And His Orchestra " Rocking Chair" - rec. 1951 As listed in Tom Lord's Discography: Roy Eldridge (tp) / Buddy Tate (ts) / Teddy Brannon (p) / Claude Lombardi (g) / Charlie Smith (dr) Note: the liner notes of the LP list as rhythm section Oscar Peterson (p & org) / Barney Kessell (g) / Ray Brown (b) + string section dir. by George Williams on the following tracks: Basin Street Blues/ I see everybodys baby /Easter Parade and I remember Harlem. 👍 - on my shelf! Quote
jazzcorner Posted October 10 Report Posted October 10 MV 23MJ 3140 (Japan 1982) - Lionel Hampton " Hampton's Big Four" - rec. 1954 Quote
optatio Posted October 10 Report Posted October 10 👍 - as a US reissue on my shelf - unknown release date ... Quote
Pim Posted October 10 Report Posted October 10 It was one very busy week at work, study and privately. Time to relax now: Quote
jazzcorner Posted October 10 Report Posted October 10 Verve 23MJ 3397 (Japan 1984) - Charlie Ventura " Carnegie Hall Concert" - rec. April 1947 Quote
Gheorghe Posted October 10 Report Posted October 10 9 hours ago, Pim said: It was one very busy week at work, study and privately. Time to relax now: Oh, I love that album, and I love Joe Henderson ! Quote
mikeweil Posted October 11 Report Posted October 11 On 10/8/2025 at 1:20 PM, Kevin Bresnahan said: I have never understood why some producers call a small band like this quintet an "orchestra". It's not an orchestra, it's a quintet. The term "orchestra" has changed a lot over the centuries, and only when musicology created standard terms in the late 19th century became associated with large ensembles as we are now used to. Originally it could determine any size ensemble. Some still use it that way. Standard sizes and instrumentation are a rather new invention, and before 1900 were defined by practical circumstances rather than musical requirements. Studying early music history taught me such things. Wikipedia is not of much help here. Quote
kh1958 Posted October 11 Report Posted October 11 Ted Curson, Tears for Dolphy Al Di Meola, Elegant Gypsy Quote
JSngry Posted October 12 Report Posted October 12 12 hours ago, mikeweil said: The term "orchestra" has changed a lot over the centuries, and only when musicology created standard terms in the late 19th century became associated with large ensembles as we are now used to. Originally it could determine any size ensemble. Some still use it that way. Standard sizes and instrumentation are a rather new invention, and before 1900 were defined by practical circumstances rather than musical requirements. Studying early music history taught me such things. Wikipedia is not of much help here. For decades, I played for a wedding band that was always "The Mister X Orchestra". Sometimes it was a five-piece orchestra, sometimes a sixteen-piece orchestra, anything in between, but it was always "orchestra". But there were never strings! Unless you count a fiddle player for honky-tonk numbers... Quote
optatio Posted October 12 Report Posted October 12 56 minutes ago, Pim said: 👍👍 https://www.organissimo.org/forum/topic/89899-marion-brown-live-in-bremen-1969/page/2/#comment-1868505 Quote
Rabshakeh Posted October 12 Report Posted October 12 Blind James Campbell And His Nashville Street Band Quote
Pim Posted October 12 Report Posted October 12 35 minutes ago, optatio said: 👍👍 https://www.organissimo.org/forum/topic/89899-marion-brown-live-in-bremen-1969/page/2/#comment-1868505 Thanks for sharing that. Marion Brown made some great records. Quote
optatio Posted October 12 Report Posted October 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pim said: Thanks for sharing that. Marion Brown made some great records. 👍👍 On my shelf ... Edited October 12 by optatio Quote
Niko Posted October 12 Report Posted October 12 1 hour ago, Pim said: Now that is a bottle that gets my attention... Know the beer well from the small bottles but never saw the big ones, it looks beautiful... (Musically, that Joe Henderson is a bit closer to home though, a long time favorite) Quote
jlhoots Posted October 12 Report Posted October 12 3 hours ago, Pim said: I have a 2 CD set of that. Quote
jazzcorner Posted October 12 Report Posted October 12 (edited) Verve 35MJ 3278/9 (Japan 1983) - Norman Granz' Jazz At The Philharmonic '40, - '50s - rec. 1944 to 1954 Edited October 12 by jazzcorner Quote
jazzcorner Posted October 14 Report Posted October 14 Verve 23MJ 3031 (Japan 1981) - Bill Evans At The Montreux Jazz Festival - rec.1968 Quote
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