Could this be the fate of the new BNBB?

[Guest Mnytime]

That's fine. Now it gives us a company to sue if he comes back here with his threats. Actually come to think of it since that is supposed to be the Official Norah Jones site she would be liable as well and maybe even Blue Note and EMI. :D

Hell sue them all and let the lawyers figure it out.

Edited May 28, 2003 by Mnytime

[chris olivarez]

Right On!!!

[Guest Mnytime]

Ed

Did you ever bring up over there the absurdity of a Norah Jones site having any link to Bob Jones considering her heritage and Bob Jones views on such?

[Rooster_Ties]

Hrumph.... I see that Musicboy is back to being a board mod over there.

We'll, Neon's credibility (with me) just dropped a couple notches. He still gets a couple points for changing their rules and regs over there, but I'm pretty shocked he let Musicboy back in as a Mod.

Maybe Musicboy threatened to ruin Neon's name in "the industry"

[Neon]

I'm sorry you all do not trust me. I have already said that we handled things badly on these boards. For that I truly apologise and my past statements in that respect hold. However, I have discussed this with Dan and the other admins and mods and we have set ground rules in place so that this situation won't arise again.

I believe we've learned a lot about each other over the past few days. I believe that the discussions on these (your) boards are for the most part adult and responsible. I understand that as with all message boards, people are just that - people. They sometimes make mistakes.

You have a thread on these boards discussing how to achieve racial equality. I would suggest that this is but one part of a larger issue to do with better understanding and acceptance of a multitude of things which together make up human beings. This is a statement I've asked "the team" on norahjones.info to sign up to in the wake of events here:

I have very strong beliefs in equality and freedom, regardless of race, gender, creed, colour, sexual orientation, disability, language, nationality, musical interest or whatever. I believe society needs rules and guidelines to ensure that vulnerable groups are protected. I do not believe in exploiting people or groups for any reason. I do not condone radical, reactionary, racist, "right wing" groups.

I expect admins and moderators of these boards to work within these "limits". Please respond to indicate your acceptance or refusal of these conditions as appropriate.

No-one has yet refused to accept these conditions. As I have said, people sometimes make mistakes. Should we punish them indefinitely, or learn lessons, forgive and move on?

[Guest Mnytime]

I'm sorry you all do not trust me. I have already said that we handled things badly on these boards. For that I truly apologise and my past statements in that respect hold. However, I have discussed this with Dan and the other admins and mods and we have set ground rules in place so that this situation won't arise again.

I believe we've learned a lot about each other over the past few days. I believe that the discussions on these (your) boards are for the most part adult and responsible. I understand that as with all message boards, people are just that - people. They sometimes make mistakes.

You have a thread on these boards discussing how to achieve racial equality. I would suggest that this is but one part of a larger issue to do with better understanding and acceptance of a multitude of things which together make up human beings. This is a statement I've asked "the team" on norahjones.info to sign up to in the wake of events here:

I have very strong beliefs in equality and freedom, regardless of race, gender, creed, colour, sexual orientation, disability, language, nationality, musical interest or whatever. I believe society needs rules and guidelines to ensure that vulnerable groups are protected. I do not believe in exploiting people or groups for any reason. I do not condone radical, reactionary, racist, "right wing" groups.

I expect admins and moderators of these boards to work within these "limits". Please respond to indicate your acceptance or refusal of these conditions as appropriate.

No-one has yet refused to accept these conditions. As I have said, people sometimes make mistakes. Should we punish them indefinitely, or learn lessons, forgive and move on?

So let me get this straight. Someone that works for and represents your site comes to this board and makes threats towards several board members including the owners of this board. He threatens their lively hood by telling them he will have them banned in the Music Industry. For this and other comments he was rightfully removed from being moderator.

Now after less than a week he is reinstated. I find that insulting to my friends that where cowardly threatened by MusicBoy. You did not even take the time to inform those here that MusicBoy threatened of your decision to reinstate him. It was done in a clandestine manner. It was only because Ed happened to go back that anyone discovered MusicBoy's reinstatement. All I can say myself is your extremely fortunate that I do not own this site or was one of those threatened.

Now to this "statement" you have had “your team” agree to. All I want to know is there still a link to Bob Jones University on one of your moderator’s site? As long as that link is on your Moderators site this "statement" is nothing more than lip service. IMHO Though even if removed it is nothing more than lip service that is only meant as a way in hopes of covering you legally. Just because they "agree" to the statement doesn't mean they really believe or accept what the statement represents.

Honestly I find it amazing that you would allow such a racist organization be associated to Norah Jones in any way or manner. Their feelings to someone of Jones heritage are very much well known. I am sure you have many minors who are of different races and possibly of mixed races as well. I wonder how they would feel if they knew that one of your Moderators is a supporter of a racist institution that would have nothing to do with them or the person your site is set up for in the first place? I really wonder if Norah Jones herself knows the type of people that have been chosen to represent her to her fans? Someone that has threatened others and and at least one more that supports a racist institution.

Another thing. Is there any way that you can prove 100% that MusicBoy has not already attempted to carry through on his threats towards those he threatened?

Edited May 28, 2003 by Mnytime

[shawn·m]

To be honest, and considering the degree of closed-minded bile the dude sprayed, I wonder if musicboy has the emotional stability and basic people skills to moderate effectively –but it’s Neon’s site and it’s Neon’s call. Besides, perhaps musicboy will behave if he thinks doing otherwise will jeopardize his reinstatement.

[7/4]

Hmm...I noticed that musikboy became an admistrator (not a moderator) over the weekend, but didn't bother to make the effort to post the news here. As soon as someone did post about it, BOOM - here's Neon to explain it. It's almost like he did it to see our reaction.

Interesting...write letters to NJ's management.

Edited May 28, 2003 by 7/4

[Rooster_Ties]

As soon as someone did post about it, BOOM - here's Neon to explain it. It's almost like he did it to see our reaction.

I very much doubt that Rob/Neon did any such thing. Late last night, after I read here that Musicboy was back to being a board-mod, I sent Neon a PM via his board, politely (and sincerely) asking about Musicboy's reinstatement. I haven't gotten a PM back from him, but I presume that my message to him prompted his reply in the last few hours, on our board (via this thread).

I'm still scratching my head ( ) about why anyone would reinstate Musicboy after what he did here, but it's Rob's board, so he can do whatever he likes. Still, Rob, you'll never really know the extent to which Musicboy edits or possibly censors other people's posts on your board (depending on the extent to which your board's software tracks that sort of thing, of course). And, you never know when he'll go off the deep end again, like he did here. If you're willing to take those risks, we'll - they're your risks to take.

If it were my board, I'd probably nuke Musicboy for good, meaning remove even his basic user status from the board. But it's not my board, and in the end, it probably doesn't matter to me what happens.

Good luck Rob.

[7/4]

As soon as someone did post about it, BOOM - here's Neon to explain it. It's almost like he did it to see our reaction.

I very much doubt that Rob/Neon did any such thing. Late last night, after I read here that Musicboy was back to being a board-mod, I sent Neon a PM via his board, politely (and sincerely) asking about Musicboy's reinstatement. I haven't gotten a PM back from him, but I presume that my message to him prompted his reply in the last few hours, on our board (via this thread).

I didn't think of that.

[White Lightning]

Dear Neon,

In these past few day you have shown a real noble character.

You have demonstrated a fine ability to forgive and forget even racist people.

You were willing to give a second chance even to those who are violent in nature.

You have shown real character standing for what you think is right, even if that associates you, your site and your beloved NJ with scums.

You've endorsed some sort of affirmative action even to those who had already revealed their true evil traits in public without even showing any remorse to these conducts.

For all of that - I salute you for being a true human rights and civil liberties protector.

If only more humans were like you... The world would be a better place.

(for WASPs)

[Jazzmoose]

May I be forgiven if I just don't give a rat's ass about the Norah Jones Board? Sorry, but it's just a silly fanboy board anyway; I just can't seem to get worked up over it. Admittedly, anything that has even passing affiliation with Bob Jones U. gets put on my shit list (hey; good news, neon! You're in the company of the President! ), but if they want to use emotionally retarded goofballs as moderators, I understand. Who else would be interested?

(I know this sounds like a slam neon; sorry...I just can't relate to fawning fan boards of a single artist. Much as I love Jackie McLean's music as an example, I really wouldn't want to spend all day talking about how he's like, hellacool, ya know?)

[catesta]

Much as I love Jackie McLean's music as an example, I really wouldn't want to spend all day talking about how he's like, hellacool, ya know?)

Hmmmmm...., The Unofficial Jackie McLean Site....

Moose, what do you think Jackie's favorite color is?

[Joe G]

For the love of GOD!!! Make it stop!

[Jazzmoose]

Come on, Joe...just one more wafer thin post...

[7/4]

May I be forgiven if I just don't give a rat's ass about the Norah Jones Board?  Sorry, but it's just a silly fanboy board anyway; I just can't seem to get worked up over it.  Admittedly, anything that has even passing affiliation with Bob Jones U. gets put on my shit list (hey; good news, neon!  You're in the company of the President! ), but if they want to use emotionally retarded goofballs as moderators, I understand.  Who else would be interested?

I don't care either, as long as some emotionally unbalanced goofball from the NJ board isn't threating us in various ways. That was the problem!

Edited May 28, 2003 by 7/4

[catesta]

Musicboy changed his avatar.

Notice the smiley face is not wearing a shirt.

[White Lightning]

Moose, what do you think Jackie's favorite color is?

I can't say, but one thing I know - God's favorite color os WHITE

[Jazzmoose]

I don't care either, as long as some emotionally unbalanced goofball from the NJ board threating us in various ways. That was the problem!

Aw, I've been threatened on the internet by more unbalanced, goofier unbalanced goofballs than muzakpunk before; I don't even pay attention to them anymore...

[catesta]

Aw, I've been threatened on the internet by more unbalanced, goofier unbalanced goofballs than muzakpunk before; I don't even pay attention to them anymore...

Please see soulstation1's KFC thread.

[Jim Alfredson]

What Neon does with his own board is his business. We can't tell him how to run it, who to accept as a member, moderator, or whatever. That was the thing that got this ball rolling in the first place. Musicboy wanted to tell me how to run my board. We shouldn't try the same tactics here. It's none of your business. If you don't like how the board is run, don't go there.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

FWIW, Tom Evered of Blue Note Records knows of the moderators affiliation with the Bob Jones University and he was well aware of the problem that link is to Norah Jones.

Neon, I think I am going to make another call just to let Tom know that you renegged and reinstated musicboy. I had mentioned the moderator with the Jones link but gave you a good word based on your actions here. Obviously, I jumped the gun. I hope you'll be hearing from Norah's record label soon.

Later,

Kevin

[Guest Mnytime]

What Neon does with his own board is his business. We can't tell him how to run it, who to accept as a member, moderator, or whatever. That was the thing that got this ball rolling in the first place. Musicboy wanted to tell me how to run my board. We shouldn't try the same tactics here. It's none of your business. If you don't like how the board is run, don't go there.

Of course you’re correct. But when he comes over here to tell us how he has made all his moderators agree to the statement he posted here while at the same time has a Moderator that supports Bob Jones U. I just find it a bit hypocritical.

What I also find upsetting beside what I already said earlier is that MusicBoy's reinstatement did not at least involve his having to come here and apologize for his behavior to you and the others. You would think that at the very least it would have been a requirement to being reinstated.

[catesta]

FWIW, Tom Evered of Blue Note Records knows of the moderators affiliation with the Bob Jones University and he was well aware of the problem that link is to Norah Jones.

Neon, I think I am going to make another call just to let Tom know that you renegged and reinstated musicboy. I had mentioned the moderator with the Jones link but gave you a good word based on your actions here. Obviously, I jumped the gun. I hope you'll be hearing from Norah's record label soon.

Later,

Kevin

Go Kevin, Go Kevin....

[Ed S]

I can't possibly imagine that once knowing of the Bob Jones thing, that Blue Note would not have immediately taken action. Norah is their shining star and I cannot imagine that they would allow that connection to continue. I hope they take the appropriate action - immediately.

I've said that I regret making that silly post on that board. Maybe it was a bad joke to start with but it essentially was harmless. For that, my name has been loosely linked to some type of child abuse and then repeatedly referenced in insulting remarks and finally we were all threatened with frivelous lawsuits, the band, the site and by association sitemembers were threatened with some form of black listing or smear campaign using pressure tactics most closely associated with racketeering and thuggery. For this the perpetrator is promoted from Moderator to Board Administrator?

Neon came across as a decent guy who was trying to do the right thing. Now that he has reversed his decision, seems like that whole site has a certain stench to it. Maybe the stench is emanating from the Bob Jones link, from the tacit endorsement of that site and the tacit endorsement of the tactics used by their now board administrator.