March 1st RVG

[Bright Moments]

Well I can certainly hear differences and I think the new ones are an improvement. whether you think so can depend on your stereo system and your tastes.

but WHAT is it that you hear?

[skeith]

Sounds a bit less veiled to me and that presentation is a bit more three dimensional as opposed to flat. I feel like row 3 as opposed to row 20 so to speak. It's subtle but I hear it.

Also some of the instruments tone is just a bit more full and real to me.

[Bright Moments]

Sounds a bit less veiled to me and that presentation is a bit more three dimensional as opposed to flat. I feel like row 3 as opposed to row 20 so to speak. It's subtle but I hear it.

Also some of the instruments tone is just a bit more full and real to me.

thanks for the imput. i still can't tell any difference.

[JSngry]

ok, am i the only one who sees that the emperor is not wearing any clothes?

i cannot discern any difference between the new Silver & Clark RVG's and their non-RVG counter-parts.

WHAT AM I MISSING??!!!!

hey y'all, i am really serious about this. can anybody point out ANY difference in the new Horace Silver and the Jazz Messengers RVG ant the previously issued non-RVG version (other than the liner notes addition?)

help me out here!!!!

for jsngry in the hopes that i will get a straight answer!!!!!

Ooooh...sorry dude, I'm still doing LPs and older CDs on all of these. I'm not one to immediately upgrade unless I need to get something where I can hear more music than noise, or if they inclede some new takes or something. My own personal (and limited) experience with RVGs is that they are a mixed lot relative to the original albums, but almost always different in some way. As to comparing RVGs w/McMasters, I don't know if I've got the inventory to do that, escept for MOANIN', which I still usually listen to on LP. Old habits die hard...

Sorry, wish I could help more. Really.

[connoisseur series500]

over the weekend i played these cds (old and new) "side by side" and could not discern any difference. they both sounded great. no hissing, no noise.

Need a new stereo, Evan!

I've found every single RVG to be superior to the old masterings (whenever I've been able to compare them.) I try to upgrade everything.

[RDK]

Hmmm. I've found every RVG different, but not necessarily better. I, too, only upgrade when I have to - whatever that means.

[Rooster_Ties]

Anybody already have the RVG of "Speak Like A Child"??

Just curious if there's anything interesting in the suplemental liner-notes. Planning to get one myself, one of these days -- just haven't pulled the trigger yet.

Probably my all-time favorite Herbie BN date.

[connoisseur series500]

Anybody already have the RVG of "Speak Like A Child"??

Just curious if there's anything interesting in the suplemental liner-notes. Planning to get one myself, one of these days -- just haven't pulled the trigger yet.

Probably my all-time favorite Herbie BN date.

It's terrific, Tom.

Especially the solo Herbie alt take of "Goodbye to Childhood."

[Rooster_Ties]

Especially the solo Herbie alt take of "Goodbye to Childhood."

One of THE very best "previously unreleased" takes I've heard in years. Makes me wish Herbie had recorded a solo-piano album back in the 60's -- might have been very interesting.

[Bright Moments]

over the weekend i played these cds (old and new) "side by side" and could not discern any difference. they both sounded great. no hissing, no noise.

Need a new stereo, Evan!

I've found every single RVG to be superior to the old masterings (whenever I've been able to compare them.) I try to upgrade everything.

so paul, you think the new RVG dial s for sonny is better then the prior release (which was a CONN??!!! ).

still sounds the same to me!

[Bright Moments]

ok, am i the only one who sees that the emperor is not wearing any clothes?

i cannot discern any difference between the new Silver & Clark RVG's and their non-RVG counter-parts.

WHAT AM I MISSING??!!!!

hey y'all, i am really serious about this. can anybody point out ANY difference in the new Horace Silver and the Jazz Messengers RVG ant the previously issued non-RVG version (other than the liner notes addition?)

help me out here!!!!

for jsngry in the hopes that i will get a straight answer!!!!!

Ooooh...sorry dude, I'm still doing LPs and older CDs on all of these. I'm not one to immediately upgrade unless I need to get something where I can hear more music than noise, or if they inclede some new takes or something. My own personal (and limited) experience with RVGs is that they are a mixed lot relative to the original albums, but almost always different in some way. As to comparing RVGs w/McMasters, I don't know if I've got the inventory to do that, escept for MOANIN', which I still usually listen to on LP. Old habits die hard...

Sorry, wish I could help more. Really.

hey jim, thanks for chiming in. you are still the oracle.

[connoisseur series500]

over the weekend i played these cds (old and new) "side by side" and could not discern any difference. they both sounded great. no hissing, no noise.

Need a new stereo, Evan!

I've found every single RVG to be superior to the old masterings (whenever I've been able to compare them.) I try to upgrade everything.

so paul, you think the new RVG dial s for sonny is better then the prior release (which was a CONN??!!! ).

still sounds the same to me!

Can't tell, Evan.

I traded in the Conn when I bought the RVG. Couldn't A/B em!

[Ron S]

Dammit! What do we pay you guys for???

[wesbed]

I'm hearing SPEAK LIKE A CHILD for the first time (I just received the RVG in the mail). There is some tasty, tasty playing from Herbie on this set. Herbie has a wandering, classical, relaxing, interesting, awe-inspiring, jazzy style. When he is good, like this, he's very good.

[wesbed]

My first time to hear HORACE SILVER AND THE JAZZ MESSENGERS. Play, brother Hank, play.

[Cliff Englewood]

I can confirm that "Dial S For Sonny" was pretty much unplayable, it sounded like a scratch on a Record, just a click/bump/pop every 5 or 6 seconds on most of the tracks, not all of them which I thought was a bit odd.

I don't think it had anything to do with the Copy Protection either, it sounds like a flaw in the tranfer or mastering process.

I ended up returning it, but I wasn't all that impressed with it to be honest, I had two of the tracks from the "Best Of..", without any surface noise, but the rest was only OK. Obviously I would have held on to it if it wasn't flawed, but the Store in question had the 2CD RVG of "MEET YOU AT THE JAZZ CORNER OF THE WORLD" fairly cheap so I exchanged it for that. Nothing wrong with the sound on that one. Other than Birland not getting their Piano sorted out.

[Clunky]

I'm hearing SPEAK LIKE A CHILD for the first time

I heard this in its first CD incarnation many years ago and thought it to be deadly dull, should I reconsider ?

[Guest akanalog]

i think "speak like a child" is a pretty subtle album so could definitely strike one as perhaps a touch boring. it isn't an incredible album, but i think it rewards repeated listening. the lack of a "burning" horn voice probably contributes to it's lack of an intial grab of the listener. i know i didn't like it so much at first but now i think it is a pretty cool album, so i would give it another chance. mickey "the stroker" does a fine job on the drums. he's got a very snappy and lively sound.

[Rooster_Ties]

FWIW, "Speak Like a Child" is my all-time favorite Herbie album. (And I normally go for more bombastic, horn-centric albums.)

"The Prisoner" comes in a close 2nd.

Edited March 22, 2005 by Rooster_Ties

[jazzbo]

Inventions and Dimensions is really my favorite, but Speak Like a Child is right on its heels.

[BruceH]

I can confirm that "Dial S For Sonny" was pretty much unplayable, it sounded like a scratch on a Record, just a click/bump/pop every 5 or 6 seconds on most of the tracks, not all of them which I thought was a bit odd.

I don't think it had anything to do with the Copy Protection either, it sounds like a flaw in the tranfer or mastering process.

I ended up returning it, but I wasn't all that impressed with it to be honest, I had two of the tracks from the "Best Of..", without any surface noise, but the rest was only OK. Obviously I would have held on to it if it wasn't flawed, but the Store in question had the 2CD RVG of "MEET YOU AT THE JAZZ CORNER OF THE WORLD" fairly cheap so I exchanged it for that. Nothing wrong with the sound on that one. Other than Birland not getting their Piano sorted out.

"Dial S..." is not one of Clark's more outstanding albums. At least, it always struck me that most of the compositions are relatively uninspired, and give me the impression that this is one record that he simply cranked out for a quick paycheck. Listening to it again recently has not caused me to change this opinion substantially. The first two tracks strike me as perfectly decent, but after that the rest of the album still registers a bit on the dull side, at least compared to his other work. So I can understand your reaction.

All of which causes me to ask, for the thousandth time: When are they going to RVG Leapin' and Lopin'?

[wesbed]

I'm hearing SPEAK LIKE A CHILD for the first time

I heard this in its first CD incarnation many years ago and thought it to be deadly dull, should I reconsider ?

Herbie's wandering, clasically-played, jazz piano fills me with a sensation of relaxation, contentment, interest, hope, and wicked excitement. Herbie's piano skills are showcased well on SPEAK LIKE A CHILD. This music doesn't seem dull, to me, in the slightest.

Edited March 22, 2005 by wesbed

[JSngry]

Back when I was a teen, SPEAK LIKE A CHILD had the "consensus" reputation as being a "masterpiece". Funny how some things change with time.

Still works just fine for me, though!

[Claude]

ok, am i the only one who sees that the emperor is not wearing any clothes?

i cannot discern any difference between the new Silver & Clark RVG's and their non-RVG counter-parts.

WHAT AM I MISSING??!!!!

hey y'all, i am really serious about this. can anybody point out ANY difference in the new Horace Silver and the Jazz Messengers RVG ant the previously issued non-RVG version (other than the liner notes addition?)

help me out here!!!!

Same here!

I got the "Night Dreamer" RVG today (the US pressing) and did an A/B comparision with the 1987 McMaster CD.

It sounds very similar. Almost nothing of the usual RVG remaster sound signature can be heard: brighter (noticeable on the cymbals), more transparence and "punch". In fact it's the McMaster that sounds a bit brighter and clearer, and I prefer it to the RVG. The only typical RVG caracteristics on the new CD is the slightly narrower stereo spread.

For hose who have the earlier CD, it is not worth upgrading. This is the first time that I found a RVG to be inferior to a late 1980's Blue Note CD reissue.

Edited April 8, 2005 by Claude

[Jazz Kat]

They can't all be gems!