Jazz Kat Posted January 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 It just didn't capture the magic, to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Really, there's no "bad", REALLY bad, as in poorly performed and/or produced to the point of being unprofessional,BN records from the era specified. Some are more to my liking than others, and some get thier groove on better than others, but outright BAD? None that I can think of. So, "worst" in this cse translates as "least favorite", at least in my mind. Thus my choice of the Wilson. I could probably include the two Monk Higgins-produced Blue Mitchell sides, and maybe some of the later Liberty-era Three Sounds sides, although having not yet heard them, that's just a hunch. Not "bad", just not worth spending the time on even once. Or, at best, no more than once. But GO? C'mon dude, that's just WRONG!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzypaul Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Hot Dog is the worst and most inept attempt at funk that I have ever heard, and that's saying something - Dude, you have got to be kidding. Lou's bands in the mid 60's-early 70's were totally fun. It's not music for intense listening, but it's dance music, which is exactly what it was supposed to be. I can be fairly certain that Lou didn't walk into the studio and say, "hey fellas, today, I want to cut my masterpiece!" I am pretty sure he was sayin' "hey fellas, I want to make a great ass shakin' record!" And if he did say that, he totally succeeded. BTW, Idris rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I bet Lou walked into the studio sayin', "Hey fellas, let's knock this out and go get a sammich." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 jeez, that record Hot Dog is god-awful, to me it smacks of the sad-ass jazz attitude that "hey we can make one of them rock and roll records and make lotsa cash 'cause them kiddies don't know one thing from another it's all the same to them" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzypaul Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I bet Lou walked into the studio sayin', "Hey fellas, let's knock this out and go get a sammich." I'm thinking they had the sammiches delivered. That album is the sound of a band full of food, booze and God only knows what else. But, dammit, it's FUN. Maybe it's the Idris thing (my other favorite drummer, besides Elvin), but this album just makes me smile. But then again, so does Alive by Grant Green, and I've never seen anyone say anything positive about that record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Stream Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I guess we'll just disagree about Hot Dog. To me, it was one of the most successful demonstrations of funky soul-jazz. A continuation of Alligator Bogaloo, Midnight Creeper, Mr. Shing-a-ling. Although Charles Earland is now on board for Hot Dog, the rest of the personel is basically the same guys. I respect you don't dig Hot Dog, but I am curious if you like Lou's other 60's soul jazz organ records. If so, how do you see Hot Dog as different from the others. I'm receptive to other views, I mean in "Jackie McLean On Mars," Jackie states basically..."Lou Donaldson is one of the greatest living alto players today, do you think he WANTS to be playing Hot Dog!?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzypaul Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I have one of 'em. Power of Soul. I'll tell you the setting I really like him in though: Ahmad Jamal's band. He brings out some stuff in Ahmad that I really like. They make for a great team. The Lou Donaldson stuff is all just as fun as can be, and Alive is just the shit. He drives that band like a GTO. (Ronnie Foster rules on that thing too. Why didn't he ever do more stuff like that?) He killed with Rodney Jones, too. What a band this was: Rodney Jones (g), Dr. Lonnie (org), Fred Wesley (tb), Arthur Blythe (as), Idris (d), at the Boulevard Cafe (a cool lil hippie/jam band place on Chicago's west side). I shoulda recorded that one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I'll tell you the setting I really like him in though: Ahmad Jamal's band. He brings out some stuff in Ahmad that I really like. Jamal & New Orleans drummers seem to have been a good fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted January 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 I'll tell you the setting I really like him in though: Ahmad Jamal's band. He brings out some stuff in Ahmad that I really like. Jamal & New Orleans drummers seem to have been a good fit. I guess you know of Vernell's roots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 I've heard rumors... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted January 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Going out right now to Borders. I'll tell you guys what I come back with, and if I think it belongs on the 'worst' list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 So, "worst" in this cse translates as "least favorite", at least in my mind. Thus my choice of the Wilson. I could probably include the two Monk Higgins-produced Blue Mitchell sides, and maybe some of the later Liberty-era Three Sounds sides, although having not yet heard them, that's just a hunch. Not "bad", just not worth spending the time on even once. Or, at best, no more than once. I wasn't in a hurry to send you the Bubba side but now I think I am going to have to test your theory by sending you Soul Symphony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 I would call them quite addiquet to any other average Blue Note recordings. Nuff said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 So, "worst" in this cse translates as "least favorite", at least in my mind. Thus my choice of the Wilson. I could probably include the two Monk Higgins-produced Blue Mitchell sides, and maybe some of the later Liberty-era Three Sounds sides, although having not yet heard them, that's just a hunch. Not "bad", just not worth spending the time on even once. Or, at best, no more than once. I wasn't in a hurry to send you the Bubba side but now I think I am going to have to test your theory by sending you Soul Symphony. Cool! Is that the one w/Oliver Nelson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Is this in reference to the "Addiquet Blues"? Ah, one of my favorite Shepp albums. But I believe it's on Impulse! and not Blue Note... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 So, "worst" in this cse translates as "least favorite", at least in my mind. Thus my choice of the Wilson. I could probably include the two Monk Higgins-produced Blue Mitchell sides, and maybe some of the later Liberty-era Three Sounds sides, although having not yet heard them, that's just a hunch. Not "bad", just not worth spending the time on even once. Or, at best, no more than once. I wasn't in a hurry to send you the Bubba side but now I think I am going to have to test your theory by sending you Soul Symphony. Cool! Is that the one w/Oliver Nelson? No, it was the Nelson Orchestra on Coldwater Flat, but I could throw that in, too. Soul Symphony was a Monk Higgins, and IMO, taken on its original intents and purposes, not nearly so bad as you expect. (Actually, if you expect loads of Gene Harris, its pretty darn good). How's that for a ringing endorsement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 IMO, taken on its original intents and purposes, not nearly so bad as you expect. (Actually, if you expect loads of Gene Harris, its pretty darn good). Low expectations are delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Is this in reference to the "Addiquet Blues"? Ah, one of my favorite Shepp albums. But I believe it's on Impulse! and not Blue Note... Yes, it's great and addiqtive too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Freddie Hubbard: 'The Night of the Cookers' 1 and 2. I only like the colours of the sleeves! I'm surprised it took that long in this thread for this one to come up. I assumed this was the universal choice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Freddie Hubbard: 'The Night of the Cookers' 1 and 2. I only like the colours of the sleeves! I'm surprised it took that long in this thread for this one to come up. I assumed this was the universal choice... This one didn't work for me either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Larry Young - Of Love and Peace Eddie Gale's playing here makes me want to kill myself. I came close to snagging this on BMG. When I saw Eddie Gale listed I thought "I could live with that". When I saw James Spaulding on it I said "I'll pass". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 IMO, taken on its original intents and purposes, not nearly so bad as you expect. (Actually, if you expect loads of Gene Harris, its pretty darn good). Low expectations are delivered. Sez you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Now I've always liked New Perspective, good feel about it, not groundbreaking stuff, but just feels nice. My most pressing dislike is Kenny Dorham's 'Whistle Stop'. The compositions aren't much cop and the band sound stilted IMO. More reasons here on another Org post. Possibly a dissapointment when lined up next to other KD recordings though? aww, I love Whistle Stop. Another vote for "New Perspective". Since I haven't heard "Whistle Stop" though the jury is still out on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 I for one like Whistlestop and The Three Sounds. Hell, I even like Unit Structures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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