Lazaro Vega Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 DISPATCH FROM THE CHURCH OF ST. JOHN COLTRANE At the Pantheon of Jazz, a Musical Ministry By Evelyn Nieves Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, March 27, 2006; Page A02 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...er=emailarticle Quote
Soul Stream Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 Great to hear this news. You know, I drive by a new huge mega-church being built every few months. Thousands of people robotically listening to "christian" rock and loving it. If only people could get past the superficiality and get "into it"...maybe we'd have a whole string of Coltrane churches. This world needs more than just one. Quote
alocispepraluger102 Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 Great to hear this news. You know, I drive by a new huge mega-church being built every few months. Thousands of people robotically listening to "christian" rock and loving it. If only people could get past the superficiality and get "into it"...maybe we'd have a whole string of Coltrane churches. This world needs more than just one. http://www.saintjohncoltrane.com/ Quote
GA Russell Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 I picture the Church of John Coltrane to be a bunch of guys sitting around smoking dope and listening to records and calling it a worship service with the attendant tax breaks. Any here ever been to one of their services? Quote
AllenLowe Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 in other words, like most organized religion - without the child-molesting - Quote
JSngry Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 Geez, it's really a bitch for some of you guys to joyfully affirm life, ain't it... Quote
7/4 Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 I picture the Church of John Coltrane to be a bunch of guys sitting around smoking dope and listening to records and calling it a worship service with the attendant tax breaks. Any here ever been to one of their services? I saw a documentry a few years ago. Looks like a church service to me. Quote
BeBop Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 I've been, but I've little compare it to. Music - some decidedly susbstandard but enthusiastic - was a big part of the service, but so were the traditional religious teachings. The 'worship" of Coltrane as a figure beyond the one which I see in my own mind made the whole experience a little other-worldly. Quote
JSngry Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 They don't really "worship" Coltrane, as I understand it. They just use him as a focal point/example to point the way towards something else. Christianity should've taken that tact... Quote
Aggie87 Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 (edited) ....maybe after they worship at The Church of John Coltrane, they go and have The Beer of Thelonious Monk? ps - image borrowed from that website that doesn't like to mention this website. Edited April 20, 2006 by Aggie87 Quote
JSngry Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 What, is Monk getting some skull skull? Quote
BeBop Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 I've been, but I've little compare it to. Music - some decidedly susbstandard but enthusiastic - was a big part of the service, but so were the traditional religious teachings. The 'worship" of Coltrane as a figure beyond the one which I see in my own mind made the whole experience a little other-worldly. They don't really "worship" Coltrane, as I understand it. They just use him as a focal point/example to point the way towards something else. Christianity should've taken that tact... I wish I'd found a better word than worship. (That's why I stuck it in quotes.) The congregation seemed to place Mr. Coltrane on a level above Man. From my perspective, he was a man. Good, bad, exemplary or otherwise. Quote
JSngry Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 Yeah, they venerate him as a Saint, I believe. Don't know if "Saints" are by definition "above Man" or just really incredible humans. If it's the former, I'd have reservations, but if it's the latter, I don't know if I could mount a convincing counter-argument. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 Yeah, they venerate him as a Saint, I believe. Don't know if "Saints" are by definition "above Man" or just really incredible humans. If it's the former, I'd have reservations, but if it's the latter, I don't know if I could mount a convincing counter-argument. Amen to that!! Quote
sheldonm Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 I've been, but I've little compare it to. Music - some decidedly susbstandard but enthusiastic - was a big part of the service, but so were the traditional religious teachings. The 'worship" of Coltrane as a figure beyond the one which I see in my own mind made the whole experience a little other-worldly. .....been there once myself, similar experience as BeBop's. No photographs allowed or I would post something. m~ Quote
Enterprise Server Posted May 4, 2006 Report Posted May 4, 2006 So what is the real purpose of this church? Are they using Coltranes music to accent the worship of God? Or are they worshiping Coltrane? Does anyone know? Quote
Lazaro Vega Posted May 4, 2006 Author Report Posted May 4, 2006 Worship of God through Coltrane. They view Coltrane as a saint. Quote
7/4 Posted December 2, 2007 Report Posted December 2, 2007 December 1, 2007 On Religion Sunday Religion, Inspired by Saturday Nights By SAMUEL G. FREEDMAN SAN FRANCISCO Beside the altar of the storefront church on Fillmore Street stand an electric piano, two basses, a drum kit and three microphones. The hymnal, such as it is, consists of a music book, open to a piece titled “Blues For Bechet.” And on the side wall hangs an icon of the congregation’s patron saint, a golden corona circling his head, as he holds a tenor saxophone with flames in its bell. This being a house of jazz as well as of God, the Sunday morning service starts on Sunday afternoon, early rising for any musician who played three sets on Saturday night. As the worshipers trickle in, whether regulars from the neighborhood or pilgrims from abroad, a call comes from behind the rear wall: “Let the procession be formed.” Then the ministers and deacons and acolytes stride into view, led by a rangy man with a tenor sax dangling from a strap around his clerical collar. He is Archbishop Franzo Wayne King, founder and pastor of this faith community, the St. John Will-I-Am Coltrane African Orthodox Church. For the next three hours, the service proceeds with an aesthetic that is half jam session and half revival meeting. A traditional Christian liturgy — including the Lord’s Prayer and readings from a Gospel and an Epistle — takes places amid a series of intense, almost incantatory performances of Coltrane compositions. “The kind of music you listen to is the person you become,” Mr. King says in his sermon. “When you listen to John Coltrane, you become a disciple of the anointed of God.” In the third row, Mikkel Holst understands. He has traveled from Copenhagen to San Francisco in no small part for this church. “It must be one of the best jazz experiences of my life,” Mr. Holst says after the service. “The funniest thing about it is, I’m not religious. But when I put on John Coltrane, a chill goes down my spine. I was thinking, if I lived here, I could see myself belonging.” So the Coltrane church is not a gimmick or a forced alloy of nightclub music and ethereal faith. Its message of deliverance through divine sound is actually quite consistent with Coltrane’s own experience and message. During a fervently creative life of just 41 years, Coltrane produced a body of performances and compositions that have remained deeply influential among jazz musicians and listeners, as well as devotees of improvisational rock. By now, 40 years after his death, he rests firmly in the canon of American music. In both implicit and explicit ways, Coltrane also functioned as a religious figure. Addicted to heroin in the 1950s, he quit cold turkey, and later explained that he had heard the voice of God during his anguishing withdrawal. In 1964, he recorded “A Love Supreme,” an album of original praise music in a free-jazz mode. Studying Eastern religions as well as Christianity, he went on to release more avant-garde devotional music on “Ascension,” “Om” and “Meditations.” In 1966, an interviewer in Japan asked Coltrane what he hoped to be in five years, and Coltrane replied, “A saint.” Franzo Wayne King, then, was simply the person who took Coltrane at his word. Growing up in Los Angeles, the son of a Pentecostal minister, he knew firsthand the importance of music in African-American Christianity. His own tastes, however, ran more to James Brown than jazz. That started changing the day in the early 1960s when Mr. King’s older brother, Charles, played him the Coltrane recording of “My Favorite Things.” Mr. King began to explore and appreciate Coltrane’s earlier work with Miles Davis. Even so, when a friend showed him the album “A Love Supreme,” Mr. King read the very religious liner notes and decided the music could not be for him. “I didn’t want to get on a God trip,” he recalled. “If I wanted that, I’d go to church. Because in my upbringing there was an erect divide between jazz and blues and the church. You had to choose one.” Or so he believed until 1966, when he took his girlfriend, Marina, on her birthday to hear Coltrane at a San Francisco club, the Jazz Workshop. A buddy who was the doorman seated them up front, and there Coltrane’s trademark “sheets of sound” washed over them, almost literally. “It was my sound baptism,” Mr. King recalled. In the wake of Coltrane’s death and newly married to Marina, Mr. King created a small congregation called Yardbird Temple in reference to the nickname of another jazz great, Charlie Parker. At that point, the followers worshiped Coltrane as an earthly incarnation of God, while considering Parker a kind of John the Baptist equivalent. Such a theology, of course, put Mr. King and his flock outside the boundaries of Christianity. He moved back inside them in the early 1980s, when he met George Duncan Hinkson, an archbishop in the African Orthodox Church. The denomination, founded in the late 19th century in South Africa, took root in America largely through Marcus Garvey’s back-to-Africa movement. Its adherents worship a black Christ. Ordained by Archbishop Hinkson, Mr. King made the necessary concession to become a member congregation. “We demoted Coltrane from being God,” he put it. “But the agreement was that he could come into sainthood and be the patron of our church.” As such, the St. John Will-I-Am Coltrane Church has operated for a quarter-century. Mr. King’s wife and several of their children participate in the services as “ministers of sound” and have played at several European jazz festivals. The visitors over the years have included Coltrane’s widow, Alice Coltrane, and the jazz-influenced rock guitarist Carlos Santana. The church combines its unique hagiography and soundtrack with staples of black Christianity, from personal “witnessing” to various forms of social action. In its previous location, the congregation ran a vegetarian soup kitchen; its current place, which lacks a full kitchen, distributes clothing and nonperishable foods. Mr. King’s daughter, Wanika King-Stephens, is the host of a weekly radio show of Coltrane music, “Uplift,” on a local station, KPOO-FM. Francis Davis, an author who attended the church while researching a coming Coltrane biography, “Sheets of Sound,” said, “I kind of went there expecting, I don’t know, snake handlers or something crazy.” Mr. Davis continued: “But it wasn’t like that at all. These are good people They’re doing what churches do. Which is feed the hungry, minister to people’s emotional and spiritual needs. And if you’re looking for free-jazz solos on a Sunday morning, this is the place.” Quote
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