Tom 1960 Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 I recently have been beefing up my Jackie Mclean collection and came across this album. I read some positive reviews FWIW on Amazon and a favorable writeup on AMG. What say McLean devotees, is this one a keeper? It's been said Lee Morgan steals the show? I'm a huge Morgan fan. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 One of my favorite McLeans influenced by the joint playing of Lee and Jackie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 I second Chuck's reply. Some of my favorite Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 IMHO, this is one of Jackie's finest, and it's a shame this didn't get released at the time of its recording. Even better than some of his better known recordings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 All right! Glad I ordered it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Blue Note jumbled up the typewritten pages of the notes I wrote for the LP issue of this back in 1979, and apparently the CD retains the original incoherent jumble. This came up here a ways back, and I explained how to un-jumble things; if that post can't be found and anyone cares, I'll try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Great album! Yes, get it: this one plus Action are my faves of the recent McLean RVGs/Connoisseur reissues. If you want McLean + Morgan you should get Jacknife too, with Morgan and Tolliver both on board (only one track together, though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 1960 Posted June 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Thanks for the input felllas. Next in line for purchase will be this album and 'Jacknife'. The combo of Tolliver and Morgan sounds too good to resist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreilly Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 I recently have been beefing up my Jackie Mclean collection and came across this album. I read some positive reviews FWIW on Amazon and a favorable writeup on AMG. What say McLean devotees, is this one a keeper? It's been said Lee Morgan steals the show? I'm a huge Morgan fan. Thanks. It's one of my least favorite McLean Blue Notes. It's fairly straight ahead and not as avant as Jackie's other Blue Notes of the time which is apparently why it wasn't released. That being said, it is a fine recording, there are just half a dozen or more other McLean's I'd buy first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 A total burner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest youmustbe Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Not mind boggling, but terrific! I always liked it ever since I got the vinyl when it first came out. So Jackie was doing other Stuff live...I was there, heard it, but what's wrong with just laying back and playing with Lee? I went to see Jackie's grave right after the funeral. Right across, looking up Miles' ass is Miles' grave. Duke is accross from Miles, as it should be, but right there, and to the left is Illinois Jacquet's grave with a rather tasteless, (how appropriate) headstone. Miles' headstone, "Sir Miles Davis' is rather middle class. The one that got to me is the maseleum, a small one to Celia Cruz. Beautifull! With photos of her, as a young woman, as a star, getting a Grammy, some of her cds, the bio of her, and a place for her husband. That's the way it should be. BTW at Woodlawn, when you walk in, there is a map of the graves, and #1 on the map is Miles' grave! I go there once every other month to pay my respects. All of you who live in or near NY should do the same, or are you so afraid of your own demise? After all, you can always whistle as you walk past the graves! (Jackie's doesn't have a headstone, and won't 'til next year.) (King Oliver is there too but in another section) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 I'm thinking of buying "Bluesnik"-any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob C Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 I recently have been beefing up my Jackie Mclean collection and came across this album. I read some positive reviews FWIW on Amazon and a favorable writeup on AMG. What say McLean devotees, is this one a keeper? It's been said Lee Morgan steals the show? I'm a huge Morgan fan. Thanks. It's one of my least favorite McLean Blue Notes. It's fairly straight ahead and not as avant as Jackie's other Blue Notes of the time which is apparently why it wasn't released. That being said, it is a fine recording, there are just half a dozen or more other McLean's I'd buy first. Yeah, that's about my take on Consequence, too. I like Jacknife quite a bit, though. You can't go too wrong with any of Jackie's BNs that I've heard, but Consequnce just doesn't really hold my attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 I'm thinking of buying "Bluesnik"-any thoughts? If you like blues-infected playing, you can't go wrong! Some fine Kenny Drew playing on that one, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 1960 Posted June 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Chris, I'm listening to Bluesnik right now. It's a fine one and as Dan said, if you enjoy some blues infused jazz, you'll enjoy this one. A highly accessable album. Nice playing by Freddie Hubbard as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest youmustbe Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Bluesnik is rather boring. It's not really Jackie's record, but the HUB's. But Jackie plays great on it, as he almost always did until 67 or so when the 'New Thing' steered him off course. He recovered by basically pulling back. The thing about Jackie, he never allowed himself to be a disgrace like Hub now, or Dizzy in his late years. Granted they played the trumpet, a difficult instrument when you get old, especially when you were known for blazing like Hub. (When I booked Miles in 91, he could hardly play at all at 65, even with the mic on the trumpet.) But even Monk, couldn't do anything past 68 or so, and McCoy hasn't played anything, so sad, for ages. That's why I respect Jackie so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Title-track of Bluesnik has one of McLean's best solos bar none. The rest of the album's fine, though not on that level, & anything with Doug Watkins + Pete LaRoca has a lot going for it. PS as I think I mentioned elsewhere, Hubbard quotes from a Blues and the Abstract Truth tune at one point ("Cascades"). The album was recorded before BATAT, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Blue Note jumbled up the typewritten pages of the notes I wrote for the LP issue of this back in 1979, and apparently the CD retains the original incoherent jumble. This came up here a ways back, and I explained how to un-jumble things; if that post can't be found and anyone cares, I'll try again. My Mosiac set containing the material from this session includes an additional track, "My Old Flame" (5:16). Apparently this is NOT on the reissued CD. Is this correct? And if so, why was this left off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Blue Note jumbled up the typewritten pages of the notes I wrote for the LP issue of this back in 1979, and apparently the CD retains the original incoherent jumble. This came up here a ways back, and I explained how to un-jumble things; if that post can't be found and anyone cares, I'll try again. My Mosiac set containing the material from this session includes an additional track, "My Old Flame" (5:16). Apparently this is NOT on the reissued CD. Is this correct? And if so, why was this left off? My Old Flame was on the original lp and is on the new cd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 (edited) Blue Note jumbled up the typewritten pages of the notes I wrote for the LP issue of this back in 1979, and apparently the CD retains the original incoherent jumble. This came up here a ways back, and I explained how to un-jumble things; if that post can't be found and anyone cares, I'll try again. My Mosiac set containing the material from this session includes an additional track, "My Old Flame" (5:16). Apparently this is NOT on the reissued CD. Is this correct? And if so, why was this left off? My Old Flame was on the original lp and is on the new cd. Thanks, Chuck. I was going by the track listing on Amazon.com ... they do not show this track. Now .. the next question, owning the Mosaic material, should I bother getting this RVG edition? I have never found that much difference in remastering quality between RVG's and Mosaic ... but then I can no longer hear dog whistles either. CORRECTION: I see now that it is on the Amazon track list; I was just reading the titles in a different order to that in the Mosaic discography .. sorry bout that! I need another cup of coffee! Edited June 11, 2006 by garthsj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreilly Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Bluesnik is rather boring. It's not really Jackie's record, but the HUB's. But Jackie plays great on it, as he almost always did until 67 or so when the 'New Thing' steered him off course. He recovered by basically pulling back. The thing about Jackie, he never allowed himself to be a disgrace like Hub now, or Dizzy in his late years. Granted they played the trumpet, a difficult instrument when you get old, especially when you were known for blazing like Hub. (When I booked Miles in 91, he could hardly play at all at 65, even with the mic on the trumpet.) But even Monk, couldn't do anything past 68 or so, and McCoy hasn't played anything, so sad, for ages. That's why I respect Jackie so much. You're blaming the 'New Thing' for Jackie's post-67 work? Can you name some post 67 titles where this is evident? Jackie's respect for the avant garde produced his best work on his 60s Blue Notes. If you want to "blame" the 'New Thing' for something, blame it for Let Freedom Ring, Destination Out, and One Step Beyond. Jackie does have one blip on his radar, Monuments, his disco album from 1979. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 I was going by the track listing on Amazon.com ... they do not show this track. Now .. the next question, owning the Mosaic material, should I bother getting this RVG edition? I have never found that much difference in remastering quality between RVG's and Mosaic ... but then I can no longer hear dog whistles either. This new version is a "Connoisseur" not an RVG. I would sit tight with your Mosaic version in this case. If it were an RVG, I'd buy it myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 I'm a bit confused now--my copy of Consequence has "Don't Blame Me"; Action has "My Old Flame". No extra tracks on either CD (the most recent reissues). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Hmm. It's "My Old Flame" on the LP of "Consequence," "I Hear a Rhapsody" on the LP of "Action," and the Jackie McLean discography http://www.jazzdisco.org/mclean/dis/c/ shows no sign that he ever recorded "Don't Blame Me." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Larry--yeah just faulty memory on my part! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_forumlogo.png.a607ef20a6e0c299ab2aa6443aa1f32e.png)
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.