The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 24, 2008 Report Posted January 24, 2008 I put this question earlier, but no one's bitten... MG Quote
porcy62 Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) One of the many reasons because we miss Brownie. Edited January 25, 2008 by porcy62 Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 One of the many reasons because we miss Brownie. Where'd Brownie go? Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 I have some early Delmark titles with the blue "D" in a circle and an otherwise mostly white label. My vinyl is now in storage, but I believe the address would have been 4243 N. Lincoln. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) I have some early Delmark titles with the blue "D" in a circle and an otherwise mostly white label. My vinyl is now in storage, but I believe the address would have been 4243 N. Lincoln. Those would be '70s and '80s titles, roughly. Edited January 25, 2008 by Chuck Nessa Quote
jimi089 Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 If there's a specific question, I'm going to see Mr. Koester on Saturday and would be happy to ask him. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 25, 2008 Author Report Posted January 25, 2008 If there's a specific question, I'm going to see Mr. Koester on Saturday and would be happy to ask him. No specific problem. There is a lot of knowledge about how to tell if you have a BN or PR or Riv original (and a few other labels), but Delmark is in many ways every bit as valuable a label as those others (and the only one of the first generation of post-Depression indies still independent) and I wondered if there was a similar bank of knowledge around. As far as I know, the early Delmark LPs had the (blue) label divided about a third of the way down. The familiar trademark was in the same place as the later versions, but was in a dark blue section, divided from the light blue section with the tracklist, by an even darker blue line. The British pressings made by Esquire used the same design. I don't know when this design changed to the mainly white label; sometime in the seventies, I think. Nor do I know what, if any, difference there is between an original and a repressing - perhaps none. MG Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 The earliest labels were a drawing of a street sign with Delmar (the original name) on it. The k was added as a result of a trademark infringement claim. Bob started the label in St Louis, on Delmar Blvd. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 25, 2008 Author Report Posted January 25, 2008 The earliest labels were a drawing of a street sign with Delmar (the original name) on it. The k was added as a result of a trademark infringement claim. Bob started the label in St Louis, on Delmar Blvd. Oh yes, thanks for reminding me about that, Chuck. Delmark is one of the ten companies dealt with in "Little labels - big sound" by Rick Kennedy & Randy McNutt, who deal with that early bit of history. (You get an honourable mention in there, too.) MG Quote
michel1969 Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 i have an Ira Sullivan record with the blue label reaing "delmar" and an adress reading 439 s wabash , chicago 5 . if it helps... Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 Where'd Brownie go???? Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 I have a Braxton around here somewhere with the blue-box "D" inside a large blue circle on a white ground. The vinyl is heavy and the address is Seven West Grand. Probably the 1st for the Braxton, but I assume a mid-period Delmark. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 25, 2008 Author Report Posted January 25, 2008 I have a Braxton around here somewhere with the blue-box "D" inside a large blue circle on a white ground. The vinyl is heavy and the address is Seven West Grand. Probably the 1st for the Braxton, but I assume a mid-period Delmark. What's mid-period for a label that's been issuing albums for fifty years - 1982? MG Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 The Braxton I'm referring to is 1970-ish. It's not "early," but maybe "earlyish." Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 25, 2008 Author Report Posted January 25, 2008 The Braxton I'm referring to is 1970-ish. It's not "early," but maybe "earlyish." I think the blue label Delmarks must have continued until at least 1972 - my copy of George Freeman's "Birth sign" (albeit a UK edition by Esquire) has the blue label and is dated 1972 (not the recording date but the release date). So a white label of a 1970 album is probably not original. But I still wonder what difference it makes in these cases. MG Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 I dunno - most of my 7 West Grand Delmarks have the boxed "d" in a dark blue area at the top, a lighter blue or white bottom half, and a horizontal strip on either side of the spindle hole. That's the standard design. The guy I bought my "For Alto" from said it was the 1st issue of that title, and so far that's the only time I've seen the label variation I'm talking about. Others have been the three-part label design. I've never seen a solid blue label on ANY of the later "Modern Jazz Series" or "AACM" titles, frankly. Nessa knows best, and I've never owned an original of the Ira Sullivan (402), but this is news to me. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 I hope to go thru my remaining Delmark vinyl this weekend and report back. IIRC, the records from the '70s with the circle were inferior pressings and after a while Bob went back to Wakefield for his records and the labels changed back. I will probably see Bob on Monday and hope to remember the questions posted here. Send PMs for detailed questions. I just typed two sentences ending in "back". Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 WHY WON'T ANYONE EXPLAIN THE BROWNIE REFERENCE????? Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 Guy Kopelowicz, aka "brownie," would be a source of information for this question. Quote
Bill Nelson Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 When Teasing the Korean, a vexed response in upper case eventually emerges as a symptom. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Posted January 26, 2008 WHY WON'T ANYONE EXPLAIN THE BROWNIE REFERENCE????? Because we thought you knew. He decided to devote his Org energies to having a life MG Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 Thanks. Did he announce this somewhere? He is a great source of knowledge for European jazz. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Posted January 26, 2008 I seem to recall it's in the long tread about O closing down, then not. MG Quote
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