bertrand Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 This recently came to my attention. Does anyone have the CD Broken Wing by Chet Baker in the Jazz In Paris series? AMG claims the piece 'Black Eyes' is by Wayne Shorter. The sound bites do not sound like any Wayne piece I know. Could this be an unrecorded piece that Wayne gave to Chet, like the four he gave to Lee Morgan ('Edda' etc.)? Do the liner notes say anything? Thanks, Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 The liner notes make no mention of the tune or Wayne at all, so they're no help. I'd never heard of the tune before- is there mention of it in that Wayne bio? For some reason I can't locate my copy of the book. I do like the recording and can recommend it, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted March 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Neither Baker nor the composition are listed in the index of the paperback. This does not guarantee 100% that they are not mentioned in the text, but I don't remember anything. I did not include the piece in the appendix since I knew nothing about it. It may be an ommission, or AMG could be wrong. They say Cat Stevens' 'Lady D'arbanville' is by Wayne... One day I hope to sit down with Wayne and clarify some things. I'm sure the appendix is incomplete. Does the CD credit Wayne? Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) Wayne is credited as the composer on the tune listing in the liners, but not on the tune listing on the back of the CD. One day I hope to sit down with Wayne Don't we all! Edited March 26, 2008 by Free For All Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 I would make insist Bertrand stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 I would make insist Bertrand stand. Wayne can has cheezburger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Wayne party can with all meats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Bertrand am cheezeburger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted March 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 ?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 ?????? sometimes there's an explanation. sometimes not. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 ?????? sometimes there's an explanation. sometimes not. . Sometime too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 yes. but also maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 The fact I'm laughing so hard means I understand all this, which is probably scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) I agree that this doesn't really have the feel of a Wayne Shorter composition. It sounds like fairly generic sunny and bright Bossa Nova, although Chet does a good job with it. "Black Eyes" is also the literal translation of the Russian song, "Ochi Chernye," you know, the one that Boris Badenov always used to sing. But that is a different song. Several jazz versions exist as "Dark Eyes," including one by Diz. Edited March 26, 2008 by John L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted March 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) 'Ochi Chernye' is also the song that is played every time you open the music box in Shop Around The Corner, but I digress... Wayne sent me a PM through organissimo last night confirming that he did not write this piece, so that's that. Bertrand. Edited March 26, 2008 by bertrand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Wayne sent me a PM through organissimo last night What? He did? Really? Wayne Shorter? Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Really? Cool! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesnik Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 this is a beatiful bossaesque Shorter composition that Baker played a lot around 1978 in his late years. I have Broken Wing and it's one of my standout moments from that album. it's actually called Beautiful black eyes on Broken Wing and also appears on a very good Baker live date from that time, Live at Nick's, though that's hardly surprising since that one was recorded only weeks before Broken Wing, and also in Paris and with nearly the same band. on that album it's simply credited as Black Eyes (or maybe it was the other way round, i can't remember and can't check the discs right now). what i don't know is if Shorter ever recorded that composition himself. i suspect it must have been written sometime in the late Seventies in the time he did those brazilian albums and his collaboration with Milton Nascimiento. but that's just a guess. i have only heard the Baker versions, and believe me, it is a very beautiful, laidback tune with great Phil Markowitz piano solos on both mentioned versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 this is a beatiful bossaesque Shorter composition that Baker played a lot around 1978 in his late years. I have Broken Wing and it's one of my standout moments from that album. it's actually called Beautiful black eyes on Broken Wing and also appears on a very good Baker live date from that time, Live at Nick's, though that's hardly surprising since that one was recorded only weeks before Broken Wing, and also in Paris and with nearly the same band. on that album it's simply credited as Black Eyes (or maybe it was the other way round, i can't remember and can't check the discs right now). what i don't know is if Shorter ever recorded that composition himself. i suspect it must have been written sometime in the late Seventies in the time he did those brazilian albums and his collaboration with Milton Nascimiento. but that's just a guess. i have only heard the Baker versions, and believe me, it is a very beautiful, laidback tune with great Phil Markowitz piano solos on both mentioned versions. Wayne sent me a PM through organissimo last night confirming that he did not write this piece, so that's that. Bertrand. Hmmm....it would seem that we have conflicting stories here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesnik Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Hmmm....it would seem that we have conflicting stories here. sorry, this was a quick answer one day i was on a quick browse through the board. i hadn't read the full thread. and i'm really surprised by this piece of information. the track is attributed to Shorter, Wayne Shorter, on every album i've seen it recorded on. on Broken Wing Alan Trecinet even mentions it as a Shorter tune in the liner notes. but if it wasn't actually written by Shorter i'd like to know who then wrote that nice piece of music. and who's been collecting royalties for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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