Edward Lopez Posted December 3, 2008 Report Posted December 3, 2008 What constitutes Jazz is in the ear of the listener. West Coast Jazz, my favorite, may not necessarily be considered jazz by the purists because WCJ is melodic and harmonious, whereas purists prefer progressive jazz or some other form of non-harmonious/melodic playing. WCJ can be enjoyed on many levels and it can be hummed, whistled, and invites toe tapping while "official" jazz is stiff while the musicians blow their guts out creating discordant "music." I equal this kind of jazz to those modern instrumentalists that fall under rock 'n' roll but they also don't play harmonious/melodic music, they abuse their instruments. But be that as it may, here are some CDs titles for those who enjoy melodious/harmonic music, some of it "real" jazz and some instrumentals that sound no different than the "real" jazz. 1-"the music from PETER GUNN" composed and conducted by Henry Mancini from the NBC television series PETER GUNN. 2-"more music from PETER GUNN" 3-"MUSIC FOR BANG, BAA-ROOM AND HARP" - DICK SCHORY 4-"COMPLETE TV ACTION JAZZ" - MUNDELL LOWE AND HIS ALL-STARS 5-"WHAT IS THERE TO SAY?" - THE GERRY MULLIGAN QUARTET Enjoy! Quote
Man with the Golden Arm Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Jazzpizzi! you need, and urgently: Quote
Edward Lopez Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Posted December 4, 2008 Jazzpizzi! you need, and urgently: You are right, Man, I need this urgently! What a double treat! Meg Myles for the visual and Mundell Lowe for the aural. As you can see on the list below, Mundell, as usual, used some of the top names in West Coast Jazz and such a grouping was just aural heaven. I saw Clark Terry live in NYC; In 1973 my wife and I stumped the band and Doc made salacious remarks about Lin's generous chest, we have it on videotape!; also we worked at NBC as temps and I met Doc and Ed Shaughnessy, one of my favorite drummers. Unfortunately, I went to Amazon.com to check the soundtrack CD price and, while available at $12.98 + s&h, I was able to sample the 10 tracks and the music is sort-of enjoyable but using my buying criteria (am I going to listen to this stuff more than once) I opted on not buying it. But thanks for bringing it to my attention especially Meg Myles which everyone can enjoy on the photo below. Jazzpizzi-Cat http://www.freshsoundrecords.com/record.php?record_id=3564 Satan In High Heels / Blues For A Stripper Mundell Lowe Featuring: Mundell Lowe (g), Clark Terry, Joe Newman, Doc Severinsen (tp), James Buffington (fh), Urbie Green, George Buster Cooper (tb), Walter Levinsky, Ray Beckenstein (as), Al Klink, Al Cohn (ts), Sol Schlinger (bs), Eddie Costa (p,vb), George Duvivier (b), Ed S "The producer of "Satan", Leonard Burton, decided for the most part that he wanted a jazz score. Some of the pieces are jazz pieces, but I tried to be very careful in the arrangements because there is one thing that automatically kills jazz: the moment the music written is tense, jazz "will not happen." Jazz ideas are like good conversation, the moment a conversation becomes tense, talk is difficult. However, there has to be a certain intensity to create excitement. I hope I've accomplished this." - Mundell Lowe Tracklisting: 1. Satan in High Heels (Lowe) - 3:24 2. Montage (Lowe) - 2:11 3. The Lost and the Lonely (Lowe) - 3:38 4. East Side Drive (Lowe) - 2:48 5. Coffee, Coffee (Lowe) - 3:27 6. Lake in the Woods (Lowe) - 3:30 7. From Mundy On (Lowe) - 3:27 8. The Long Knife (Lowe) - 2:22 9. Blues for a Stripper (Lowe) - 3:27 10. Pattern of Evil (Lowe) - 2:26 Recorded in NYC, November-December 1961. Tracks #1-5: Mundell Lowe (g), Clark Terry, Joe Newman, Doc Severinsen (tp), James Buffington (fh), Urbie Green, George Buster Cooper (tb), Walter Levinsky, Ray Beckenstein (as), Al Klink, Al Cohn (ts), Sol Schlinger (bs), Eddie Costa (p,vb), George Duvivier (b), Ed Shaughnessy (d) Tracks #6-10: Mundell Lowe (g), Clark Terry, Bernie Glow, Doc Severinsen, Ernie Royal (tp), Jimmy Cleveland, George Buster Cooper (tb), Walter Levinsky (as,fl), Oliver Nelson, Al Cohn (ts), gene Allen (bs), Barry Galbraith (g), Eddie Costa (p,vb), George Duvivier (b), Ed Shaughnessy (d) Review: "Mundell Lowe's score for the exploitation flick Satan in High Heels is an immensely enjoyable collection of exaggeratedly cinematic jazz. Lowe runs through all sorts of styles, from swinging big band to cool jazz, from laid-back hard-bop to driving bop. He pulls it off because his big band is comprised of musicians as skilled as Oliver Nelson, Al Cohn, Phil Woods, Urbie Green, Joe Newman and Clark Terry. They help give the music the extra kick it needs, and Satan in High Heels winds up as a terrific set of humorous and sleazy, but well-played, mainstream jazz." — Stephen Thomas Erlewine (All Music Guide) Quote
John L Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 West Coast Jazz can be "hummed, whistled, and toe tapped" while other jazz is "stiff?" That is a very interesting opinion. Quote
AndrewHill Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 (edited) Here's another. Its got Frank Rosolino on it: Edited December 4, 2008 by Holy Ghost Quote
Dan Gould Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 West Coast Jazz can be "hummed, whistled, and toe tapped" while other jazz is "stiff?" That is a very interesting opinion. Not the word I was going to use, but yes, that is an "interesting" opinion. Quote
sal Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 West Coast Jazz, my favorite, may not necessarily be considered jazz by the purists because WCJ is melodic and harmonious, whereas purists prefer progressive jazz or some other form of non-harmonious/melodic playing. WCJ can be enjoyed on many levels and it can be hummed, whistled, and invites toe tapping while "official" jazz is stiff while the musicians blow their guts out creating discordant "music." Im really interested to hear you elaborate further about this. Quote
Dan Gould Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 West Coast Jazz, my favorite, may not necessarily be considered jazz by the purists because WCJ is melodic and harmonious, whereas purists prefer progressive jazz or some other form of non-harmonious/melodic playing. WCJ can be enjoyed on many levels and it can be hummed, whistled, and invites toe tapping while "official" jazz is stiff while the musicians blow their guts out creating discordant "music." Im really interested to hear you elaborate further about this. I would be too but I don't think he can, as I suspect he knows jack shit about what he is talking about. Quote
7/4 Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 (edited) West Coast Jazz, my favorite, may not necessarily be considered jazz by the purists because WCJ is melodic and harmonious, whereas purists prefer progressive jazz or some other form of non-harmonious/melodic playing. WCJ can be enjoyed on many levels and it can be hummed, whistled, and invites toe tapping while "official" jazz is stiff while the musicians blow their guts out creating discordant "music." Im really interested to hear you elaborate further about this. I would be too but I don't think he can, as I suspect he knows jack shit about what he is talking about. Yeah...whatever. What about this? Boing! Jelly Bean Bones was Meg Myles childhood nickname. 42-24-36 was the score. Edited December 4, 2008 by 7/4 Quote
Edward Lopez Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Posted December 4, 2008 West Coast Jazz can be "hummed, whistled, and toe tapped" while other jazz is "stiff?" That is a very interesting opinion. My opinion is shared by almost anyone who can whistle and who enjoys music, jazz and otherwise, that is melodious, harmonic, and rhythmic. As an example of a great whistling jazz tune, try "Little Girl" by the Chet Baker Sextet. Or "Too Marvelous For Words" by Phil Urso - Bob Burgess Quintet. There are many tunes that are enjoyable and whistable. My favorite from Pacific Jazz JWC-507 - West Coast Jazz - Vol. 3 - Various Artists [1956] is "Old Croix" - Art Pepper Quartet. And on and on with Henry Mancini's "music from PETER GUNN" being a solid album to whistle. Whistler's and toe-tapper's paradise: There Will Never Be Another You - Gerry Mulligan Sextet Mr. Smith Goes To Town - Chico Hamilton Quintet Polka Dots and Moonbeams - Bud Shank Quartet Old Croix - Art Pepper Quartet Little Girl - Chet Baker Sextet Love Nest - Russ Freeman - Chet Baker Quartet Sweet Georgia Brown - Bud Shank - Bob Cooper Quintet Things Ain't What They Used To Be - Jim Hall Trio Too Marvelous For Words - Phil Urso - Bob Burgess Quintet Brother Can You Spare A Dime - Russ Freeman - Bill Perkins Quintet On the other hand, when you listen to performers such as Miles Davis, Pharoah Sanders, Horace Silver, Art Blakey, Max Roach, to me these people produce noise: discordancy and it's just not what I want to hear. They're extremely adept at playing their respective instruments but for some reason they have no desire to produce enjoyable "music." My 2 cents. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Where's chewy? Ed Shaughnessy is out of the Kenny Clarke bag, and Klook and Max are two divergent strains of the same tree. So I don't get how you can shut out an entire area of the forest. You must know that "WCJ," as a school, is counted by some purists as antithetical to East Coast bop, but that is patently unfair. Quote
Dan Gould Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 West Coast Jazz can be "hummed, whistled, and toe tapped" while other jazz is "stiff?" That is a very interesting opinion. On the other hand, when you listen to performers such as Miles Davis, Pharoah Sanders, Horace Silver, Art Blakey, Max Roach, to me these people produce noise: discordancy and it's just not what I want to hear. They're extremely adept at playing their respective instruments but for some reason they have no desire to produce enjoyable "music." My 2 cents. Horace Silver, Doin' The Thing: ... we'd like to have you all join in with us on this one and help us find the groove by patting your feet ... or popping your fingers or clapping your hands, or shaking your heads. Or shaking whatever else you want to shake. While we do a little thing we call "Filthy McNasty". Yeah, Horace Silver makes noise, not toe-tapping music. Like whatever you want, but don't say stupid shit about what you don't like. Quote
randyhersom Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 My opinion is shared by almost anyone who can whistle and who enjoys music, jazz and otherwise, that is melodious, harmonic, and rhythmic. On the other hand, when you listen to performers such as Miles Davis, Pharoah Sanders, Horace Silver, Art Blakey, Max Roach, to me these people produce noise: discordancy and it's just not what I want to hear. They're extremely adept at playing their respective instruments but for some reason they have no desire to produce enjoyable "music." My 2 cents. We have a small percentage of things in common. I'll recommend the five volume Shelly Manne Live at the Blackhawk to you. You do have a tendency to unnecessarily insult those who have different tastes. I'm very much enjoying Billy Harper's Croquet Ballet at the moment. Seeing Max Roach's group play live three times in the seventies are among my lifetime musical highlights. Clearly they produced enjoyable music, because I enjoyed it. It's clear from your comments that you would not have. Keep praising what you find beauty in, but minimize the insults to me and the musicians I love and we'll all get along just fine. Quote
randyhersom Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Congratulations Jazzpizzi-Cat. No one has ever offended both me and Dan Gould in the same sentence before. It's quite an achievement! Quote
AllenLowe Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 (edited) ' "official" jazz is stiff while the musicians blow their guts out creating discordant "music." ' you got a problem with the way I play? I'M SPILLING MY GUTS OUT, MAN! Edited December 4, 2008 by AllenLowe Quote
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