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[Soulstation1]

why aren't yankee fans answering their damn cell-phones?

can i get some love on my pick???????????

Edited October 26, 2003 by Soulstation1

[BERIGAN]

You know, I had no idea how amazingly good the Marlins starters were before the playoffs started!!!!! Becket hit 100 against Sammy Sosa, Penny hit 99 the other day, Pavano was mid 90's, and one of the main reasons they were able to be in the World Series, Dontrelle Willis, was a left hand specialist in the WS! and to think they did this without their stud pitcher!!!! I always heard about was A.J. Burnett. When he gets healthy, look out!!!! Wonder how Burnett, and Torburg feel about this????? A May 7th story about a team that you would not expect to be in the World's Champs ....

Team schedules elbow exam for Beckett

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Associated Press

MIAMI -- The Florida Marlins, who already have two starting pitchers on the disabled list, lost right-hander Josh Beckett to an elbow injury Wednesday night.

Beckett

Beckett was pulled from the 3-2 loss to San Francisco after one inning because he felt discomfort in his elbow.

After Beckett was examined by team physician Dr. Dan Kanell, the Marlins hastily scheduled an appointment for the right-hander Thursday with orthopedist Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham, Ala.

Andrews performed reconstructive elbow surgery April 29 on another young Marlins right-hander, A.J. Burnett, who may be sidelined until 2005. Left-hander Mark Redman broke the thumb on his pitching hand the same day and likely will be out until late this month.

"I didn't think it could happen again," manager Jeff Torborg said. "Unfortunately it has."

Beckett threw 28 pitches in his only inning against the Giants, including more curveballs than usual. His fastball topped out at 96 mph, but he walked Benito Santiago with the bases loaded and left trailing 1-0.

"He wanted to keep pitching," Torborg said. "I said, 'Uh-uh. I'm not fooling with this.' "

Beckett said he has been bothered by stiffness and tenderness in his elbow since a start in Philadelphia on April 15. He downplayed the symptoms in discussions with the training staff -- until Wednesday night.

"It has been an ongoing deal," he said. "I don't think it's that bad. Hopefully I miss five days and I'm back at it."

Beckett, 22, has never had elbow trouble. He had tendinitis in his right shoulder as a minor leaguer in 2000, and he spent three stints on the disabled list last year because of recurring blisters on the middle finger of his pitching hand.

Beckett is 2-3 with a 3.76 ERA in eight starts.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0507/1550643.html

[Matthew]

Hey, don't  count the Yankees out, just cuz the series is 4 to 2...

What???

Can't a team come back after being down 4-2?????

If they could, the Brooklyn Dodgers would've ruled the world!

[Brad]

As the Yankee announcers might have said:

GAME OVER. SEASON OVER. WORLD SERIES OVER. AH, THE YANKEES LOSE, AH, THE YANKEES LOSE!

[Matthew]

It's always kind of a bummer when the is Series over.... no more baseball until March, YIKES! Well, the NBA is always there for kicks, and I can read my baseball books in the depths of cold Los Angeles winters, where we fight those unmercifull 65 degree days.

[JSngry]

The Series WAS originally a best-of-9 thing, so with a little lobbying from George...

[ghost of miles]

(GoM, sorry guy, but after watching the LCS, and 26 Championships and all the rest, this is just too sweet. If only it had been the Sox or the Cubs doing the whooping ...)

Hey man, I'm just happy for Jack McKeon. Torre already has 4 rings, y'know? In any case--the Steinbrenner GOP curse lives on. We ain't got a chance at the title again till 2005 at the earliest (or maybe 2009--groan!). I really meant it going in when I said I favored the Marlins to win it. They're a hell of a team, obviously.

[Bright Moments]

YEA MARLINS!!!!!!

[Brad]

You have to hear the Yankee fans today. I was listening to WFAN (the local sports station here in the NY area) this morning. These guys are about to ready to jump of the Brooklyn Bridge this morning. Change this, change that. This is my reward, hearing those arrogant idiots brought back to earth. As Dan said awhile ago, this will be a far different team next year. No Roger, no Wells, maybe no Pettite. They may find out how the other half lives.

Ah, the Yankees lose. That sure does have a nice sound to it.

[doubleM]

Well, The Marlins were impressive. Beckett, Conine, Pierre. A damn good little squad. Yankees couldn't hit the ball. It must have been like porn for a lot of you guys. Except I doubt if there are any actual Marlins fans posting here, so I'd imagine that routing against the dominant team (instead of for y'r own teams-- who also watched) must be like getting sloppy seconds. Oh well... it was a good post-season. I drowned my sorrows last night, and now I'm looking forward to watching some hoops.

[Jazzdog]

Well, The Marlins were impressive. Beckett, Conine, Pierre. A damn good little squad. Yankees couldn't hit the ball. It must have been like porn for a lot of you guys. Except I doubt if there are any actual Marlins fans posting here

Hell, I think I only know ONE Marlins fan, and he lives in Florida. Aside from him, I know of NO ONE who actually wanted the Marlins to win. Most people I talked to wanted the Yankees to lose. Even though the Marlins ousted the Giants, people around here don't like the Yanks so much. So it goes!

I didn't really watch the series, though I did watch the last 3 innings of last nights game, and I gotta tell ya, by the 7th, the Yanks sure did look like losers.

Gotta tip my hat to the Yanks though, the most expensive losers in World Series history. Thats gotta make ya proud!

[Big Wheel]

Except I doubt if there are any actual Marlins fans posting here, so I'd imagine that routing against the dominant team (instead of for y'r own teams-- who also watched) must be like getting sloppy seconds.

Hey, I'm from Miami--went to the ticker-tape parade in '97--and now a proud member of the Red Sox Nation, so this Series was TWICE as good for me. THREE times if you consider that Miami had a Mets farm team before we got a team in the bigs, and that the first game I ever went to was in Shea!

[BruceH]

Ah, the Yankees lose. That sure does have a nice sound to it.

Yes, indeedy!

And why can't the World Series go back to best-of-nine? I don't see anything wrong with that.

[ghost of miles]

I didn't much follow the Series after the suicide of singer-songwriter Elliott Smith earlier this week. Frankly, I found that much more depressing than the possible spectacle of the Yankees losing the Series. The only thing they need to change is Steinbrenner's expectation that they win it every time out. That's absurd and utterly at odds with reality. (Of course he's not going to change, though.) Chemistry is a very subtle element, and (pace their pulling it out against the Sox in the ALCS), this team of the past two years, though better on paper, does not have the killer ability to win that the teams of the O'Neill/Martinez/Brosius era did. Paul O'Neill could be 1-23 and he'd still slap a single when they needed it most; Chuck Knoblauch, who struggled during his years w/the Yanks, still had a knack for coming up with big hits in the clutch. But that era ended two years ago in Arizona during the ninth inning of Game 7.

As for Yankee-bashing, whatever... All of the Yankee fans on this board seem to be the model of decorum. I've rooted for them for 28 years now, through good times & bad, and the Torre years have been a sheer joy. Classy manager, classy players, multiethnic teams... I can understand why people hated them in the Reggie/Billy Martin era, but now it just seems like excessive sour grapes. Did people hate the A's this way in the 70s? Or the Reds, for that matter? And plenty of owners try to buy championships these days. Plenty. The Yanks have more money partly because they're in one of the nation's best TV markets. Also, many of their dynasty players this time around have been homegrown--Bernie Williams, Derek Jeter, Andy Pettite, Mariano Rivera, Posada, Soriano... All of whom seem to be genuinely nice human beings as well. And I don't think you could find a more decent-spirited manager than Joe Torre.

My congratulations to the Marlins, who clearly were the better team. Matthew, I agree about the desolation of the long winter! I'm beginning my post/pre-season reading with PRESS BOX RED, the story of sportswriter Lester Rodney, who wrote columns for the Daily Worker and who helped open & sustain the drive to eliminate the color line in professional baseball.

See y'all round the hot-stove.

[paul secor]

I can't add much to ghost of miles' eloquent statement. When the Marlins won the series, I thought about Muhammed Ali after losing the first Frazier fight. Some of his handlers wanted him to avoid the press. His response was something to the affect that he talked to the press when he won, and he'd talk to the press now that he'd lost. Congratulations to the Marlins. I hope that their management is able to keep that team together, and I hope that the fans in Miami will support their team now that they've come back from the depths.

It's been a helluva season.

[Bright Moments]

Except I doubt if there are any actual Marlins fans posting here

hey, what am i, chopped liver? go back and read my "go marlins" posts! I'LL BE AT THE TICKER TAPE PARADE DOWN FLAGLER STREET ON TUESDAY!!!!

[ghost of miles]

Except I doubt if there are any actual Marlins fans posting here

hey, what am i, chopped liver? go back and read my "go marlins" posts! I'LL BE AT THE TICKER TAPE PARADE DOWN FLAGLER STREET ON TUESDAY!!!!

Enjoy it, man! I'm sure it will be a blast. Can you imagine the way Beckett must be feeling? 23 and on top of the world...

[doubleM]

I may have missed the real Marlins fan's post. My apologies and Kudos to you and your boys. They rocked all through the playoffs. As to what Ghost wrote, I don't quite get the hatred, either. If you've ever been to a sports bar, and seen the type of posturing and machismo that often occurs in those places, it puts in to perspective that some people (probably unconsciously) obviously work out some of their issues this way. I don't know if this (Yankee bashing to this embarrassing of an extreme) is an example of the same phenomenon. But it could be argued. There's nothing wrong with some angst, I just think that it gets misplaced sometimes. About the Marlins next year, that will be interesting to see. With the full compliment of healthy players, these guys could have a great team in '04. And Yanni will be in the house!

[Bright Moments]

And Yanni will be in the house!

forget about yanni, his violinist, karen briggs ("the lady in red") is incredible!

oh and the MARLINS RULE!!!!!

[Dan Gould]

Yankee bashing is mysterious or suprising as to its extent? You've got to be kidding!

Take 26 World Championships, add in the most obnoxious, arrogant fans in the world, plus an insufferably smug owner who buys pennants like Dennis Koslowski bought companies and the reason why people despize the Yankees ought to be self-evident.

[JSngry]

For real - I remember people hating the Yankees in the '50s, and that was already a long stretch into THEIR stretch.

[Brad]

Dan seems to have said it all but here in NY, there's really no middle ground. The Yankee fans love to give it to the Mets and vice versa. We loath each other. This really dates back to when NY had three teams. It was probably more virulent then with the players on all three teams hating each other passionately. The Giants hated the Dodgers and vice versa and together they hated the Yankees.

When both NL teams left New York, Yankee haters had to wait until the Mets came into being. The Mets traditional cap is a combination of the Giants NY and Dodger Blue. That basically continued the rivalry that has been going on since the old Baltimore Orioles moved to NY in the early 1900s. They changed their names to the Highlanders (because that's where they played in Manhattan) and then to the Yankees. Usually, you became a fan of the team that your parents rooted for. In my case, my father was a Dodger fan and my mother a Giants fan. So, I become a Mets fan. My first game in 1962 was at the old Polo Grounds where the Giants used to play. I saw Hank Aaron beat the Mets 4-3 and I still have the program.

So, that's why I don't like the Yankees. I'm sure you'd find the same thing in Chicago. And I'll bet before the Braves to Milwaukee, you had the same thing in Boston.

Ah, the Yankees loooose. Just love that ring

[doubleM]

Well, isn't this a conundrum? 26 World Championships can serve as a catalyst for hatred, or a testament to greatness. I think that as long as there are some well-grounded fans (see Ghost), who focus on the more fundamental aspects of a team (it's players abilities, attitudes, character), the debate will remain lively. Ill will and heavy hearts (hatred) have been around longer than the game of baseball. I don't expect to see that change. It's those peoples' ulcers. But I do think it's important to remember that there are some Yankee fans all over the planet who are O.K. with other teams' success.

[vajerzy]

I'm glad the Marlins won- I'm an NL guy who always roots for the NL.

While the Marlins were celebrating on the field, I kept on hearing New York, New York by Frank Sinatra, and I didn't hear any applause from the Yankees fans for the Marlins- they played a great series. And from someone who was at the game- there was no script on the message board congratulating the Marlins being 2003 World Series champions.

Classless act by the Yankees

[doubleM]

Vajerzy--Do you mean "script on the message board" at the Stadium? If so, is it customary for a team to congratulate them in that fashion? I mean, they have press conferences and such for one team to acknowledge the "good game" of it's opponent...but I haven't heard of it happening marquee-style, or ceremoniously on the opposing field. But yeah, playing "New York, New York" by Sinatra in that situation is gauche, trite, and embarrassing.