carnivore Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 to quote Sarah Palin, you betcha - it is a momentous solo - perfect phrasing, perfect tone, everything - gutbucket sound, turns a cliche into a masterpiece - 'Goin' Down (That Ol' Highway) Sarah Palin's Guide to the Blues' would be, I think, a collection de trop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 4) Benny Carter was a better trumpet player than he was an alto player Personally, I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I find his trumpet playing less fussy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat5 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Less ornate, not fussy. And the ultimate white blues song goes to... Henry Mancini for "Baby Elephant Walk". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 7) SARGENT Carter yelled at Gomer too much - A lot of repressed homosexuality going down there - sort of like Ren 'n' Stempy. Carter had a drinking problem and he was hung over all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 1) Aretha Franklin likes unique hats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 7) SARGENT Carter yelled at Gomer too much - A lot of repressed homosexuality going down there - sort of like Ren 'n' Stempy. Carter had a drinking problem and he was hung over all the time. Compared to Joe Flynn as Captain Birminghamton on McHale's Navy... Frank Sutton, btw, died doing dinner theatre in Shreveport, La. Shreveport in those days was the nearest "big city" media outlet to the part of East Texas where I lived, so believe me when I tell you that I learned more about Frank Sutton/Sgt. Carter in 72 hours than anybody would ever want to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 1) Aretha Franklin likes unique hats As did Anita O'Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jostber Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Buster Smith's sax playing on solo on Big Joe Turner's "Baby, Look At You" is the greatest early bop performance evah. To my ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 the Pete Brown is probably under Helen Humes' name - That "Unlucky Blues" (aka "Unlucky Woman") from the MCA Blues Box Vol. 2 set is available elsewhere relatively easily, e.g. on the MCA V.A. LP "THe Swinging Small Bands 2" (Jazz Heritage series Vol. 45) and on "Sounds of Harlem Vol. 2" (HEP CD 1066). So no shortage of listening opportunities ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swinging Swede Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 I have a Pete Brown Classics CD (1942-45), but it doesn't include this track. Is this the only Classics Pete Brown issue? Yes, but the track can be found on Helen Humes 1927-1945. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 I remember when Frank Sutton dropped dead, and very suddenly (maybe he was in his 40s?) - wondering just what it was that you learned about him, Jim, that was so, uh......SECRET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Oh, nothing secret, just his whole damn life story. It was a big deal for a "celebrity" like Frank Sutton to be doing dinner theater in Shreveport in the first place. The Gomer Pyle show had been huge in that area, both for obvious cultural reasons and also because Barksdale AFB in Bossier City housed a SAC unit. Sutton had been doing all the local mid-day talk shows on local TV & radio (unlike today, Shreveport actually had a whiff of the "cosmopolitan air" to it), interviews on all the news shows, personal announcements plugging the gig, total saturation. And then he died. You know, the beloved Sgt. Carter comes to you town, makes a big, friendly splash, let's you know that he's GLAD to be here, that he LOVES you and your town, and he's SO EXCITED about his time here, and he's looking forward to sheeting EVERYBODY in the city, all this, and then the motherfucker drops dead. Just....drops....dead... Shreveport felt this pain, jack. FELT it, do you hear me? So they vented. In the newspapers, on the TV & radio, maybe even a billboard or two (the billboards' I'm not totally sure about, but for the purpose of a good story., let's assume so until proven not, ok?). I'd like to say that there was a funeral parade down the streets of Shrevport with the Barksdale band playing the Gomer Pyle march in minor, but as good as a story as that would make, it would be a flat out lie, and there's no room for flat out lying when paying tribute to the memory of the beloved Frank Sutton, the man who made splashy, sunshiny love to the city Shreveport and then consummated the relationship with a surprise case of rigor mortis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brownian Motion Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 1) Pete Brown was the greatest blues player in the history of jazz - listen to his alto solo on Unlucky Blues, behind Helen Humes. One can hear, as he plays it, the band erupting into what appears to be spontaneous acknowledgment - and I won't hold it against him that the tune was written by Leonard Feather - 2) Jonah Jones was one of the greatest swing-era trumpet players; up there with Eldridge/Shavers/Red Allen/Berigan (no not the Republican Berigan); it is not Jonah's fault that he will be forever remembered for those annoying and muted Capitol albums. listen to his solo behind the great singer Georgia White on Papa Please from 1940 - he was also working on some of the same things, rhythmically, that Dizzy was working on, possibly from their association in the Cab Calloway band - PeteBrown was also the greatest swing alto player. Listen to The World I Waiting for the Sunrise by Frankie Newton or The Lady is a Tramp by Midge Williams; Brown occupies songs. I disagree with your assertion about Jonah Jones. I think he was a pretty limited improviser, certainly not top tier, and prone to rely on a grab bag of licks. Bill Coleman is the unsung swing trumpet giant, whose stellar work in Europe during the 1930s is not as well known as it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 I love Bill Coleman - but the Jonah Jones I've heard has come as a surprise - there's a Cab Calloway solo, very boppish, that I always thought was Dizzy - but turned out to be Jonah - and there's one I just heard on a Georgia White record - VERY adventurous - and I believe there are some very fine Commodores (and I may be confusing things, but I think he's got Lucky Thompson with him on these) - love, by the way, Coleman's work with Dickey wells, also Bill COleman's Blues w/Django - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 but the Jonah Jones I've heard has come as a surprise - there's a Cab Calloway solo, very boppish, that I always thought was Dizzy - but turned out to be Jonah - Small wonder they tended to be confused at that time - after all it turned out it was Jonah and not Dizzy who threw that notorious spitball too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 That "Unlucky Blues" (aka "Unlucky Woman") from the MCA Blues Box Vol. 2 set is available elsewhere relatively easily, e.g. on the MCA V.A. LP "THe Swinging Small Bands 2" (Jazz Heritage series Vol. 45) and on "Sounds of Harlem Vol. 2" (HEP CD 1066). So no shortage of listening opportunities ... Thanks. I did see the "Unlucky Woman" track on various Humes titles and thought it might be the same. The Hep looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 "Fussy"? No. One of the best alto players in all of jazz? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 I'm with you, Bruce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 (edited) Benny played nice alto - but too neat; it's like a head with every hair in place. No sense of danger (to mix metaphors) - same problem with his arrangements - Edited February 21, 2009 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 That's an amazing story Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Buster Smith's sax playing on solo on Big Joe Turner's "Baby, Look At You" is the greatest early bop performance evah. To my ears. I read this and immediately downloaded it from the iTunes store. (I need instant gratification right now.) it is indeed a great solo but I'm not sure why you describe it as "bop". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 (edited) the Pete Brown is probably under Helen Humes' name - That "Unlucky Blues" (aka "Unlucky Woman") from the MCA Blues Box Vol. 2 set is available elsewhere relatively easily, e.g. on the MCA V.A. LP "THe Swinging Small Bands 2" (Jazz Heritage series Vol. 45) and on "Sounds of Harlem Vol. 2" (HEP CD 1066). So no shortage of listening opportunities ... The iTunes store lists "Unlucky Woman" on 2 different collections "The Sounds of Harlem" under Pete Brown's name and on "Helen Humes: Today I Sing the Blues". Edited February 21, 2009 by medjuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeBop Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 4) Benny Carter was a better trumpet player than he was an alto player Personally, I don't think so. Less ornate, not fussy. ...and no one likes an Ornate alto player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 re- Baby It's You - a stupendous solo and, Joe, listen again, it's very boppish, no surprise, considering Buster Smith's influence on Bird - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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