almost got a rare hank mobley record

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

i picked up for a quarter, REGAL 3258: you ought to know/ill never be free

this is not one of the ones hank is credited for in his discog- but what if? i mean, can any of you check your "jazz records" books for me and let me know if theres a listinbg for this one?

[mikeweil]

According to Claude Schlouch's Mobley discography, he was on Regal 3281, 3282, 3302, 3312, 3329 - the one you bought was recorded shortly before Hank joined the band.

Bruyninckx has the following two tracks for Regal 3258:

R-1070 You ought to know

New Orleans, early September 1949

Paul Gayten (vcl,p) Taft Jordan (tp) Eddie Barefield (as) Buddy Tate (ts) Cecil Payne (bs) Denzil Best (d) unknown g,b

R-1203 I'll never be free

New Orleans, February 1950

Annie Laurie (vcl) Paul Gayten (p) John Hunt (tp) Chippy Outcalt (tb) Eddie Barefield (as) Ray Abrams (ts) Aaron Bell (b) Sam Woodyard (d) Howard Biggs (arr)

Edited March 30, 2009 by mikeweil

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

hey mikeweil:

thanks for the useful discog info- buddy tate and cecil payne- great- but

ARRRGRGHRH!!!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE I WAS ****THAT**** CLOSE TO FINDING A HANK MOBLEY 78! HOW CLOSE HAVE YOU CAME TO FINDING A HANK 78? *THAT* CLOSE? LOOK HOW CLOSE I WAS- MIKE, WOULD YOU AGREE, IN YOUR POST WHEN YOU STATE MINE WAS RECORDED "SHORTLY BEFORE HANK JOINED THE BAND" THAT I WAS PRETTY CLOSE HERE? CLOSE BUT NO CIGAR!!!

[clifford_thornton]

Are you able to listen to these sides and let us know how the music is?

[jeffcrom]

According to Claude Schlouch's Mobley discography, he was on Regal 3281, 3282, 3302, 3312, 3329 - the one you bought was recorded shortly before Hank joined the band.

Bruyninckx has the following two tracks for Regal 3258:

R-1070 You ought to know

New Orleans, early September 1949

Paul Gayten (vcl,p) Taft Jordan (tp) Eddie Barefield (as) Buddy Tate (ts) Cecil Payne (bs) Denzil Best (d) unknown g,b

R-1203 I'll never be free

New Orleans, February 1950

Annie Laurie (vcl) Paul Gayten (p) John Hunt (tp) Chippy Outcalt (tb) Eddie Barefield (as) Ray Abrams (ts) Aaron Bell (b) Sam Woodyard (d) Howard Biggs (arr)

Just to confuse things....

I have "You Ought to Know" on a Paul Gayten/Annie Laurie LP on the Swedish Route 66 label. It gives a location/date as New Orleans, late 1949, with this personnel:

Paul Gayten - piano & vocal; Wallace Davenport - t; Lee Allen - ts; Frank Campbell - as, bar; Jack Scott -g; George Pryor - b; Robert Green - d

This is a much more likely personnel for a New Orleans recording; I doubt those New York guys would have made the trip south. The tune is a nice, moody ballad with a good tenor solo. The whole album is excellent early New Orleans R & B.

The album has one track, "Goodnight Irene," with Mobley listed on tenor. Unfortunately, there's no tenor solo. I always chuckle at one line of "Broadway's on Fire": "That bebop is okay, but I've got to have some blues."

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

goodnight irenes the only one of those ive heard

[jeffcrom]

Okay, chewy, don't hate me. I went to Jim Russell's Rare Records on Magazine Street in New Orleans today and walked out an hour and a half later with a stack of 78s. One of them was the first six minutes of music Hank Mobley recorded: Regal 3281, "Goodnight Irene" and "Ooh La La." I won't be able to play it until I get home in a couple of days; I'm curious to see if tenor is prominent on "Ooh La La." As I said above, you can't really hear Mr. Mobley on "Irene."

[paul secor]

According to Claude Schlouch's Mobley discography, he was on Regal 3281, 3282, 3302, 3312, 3329 - the one you bought was recorded shortly before Hank joined the band.

Bruyninckx has the following two tracks for Regal 3258:

R-1070 You ought to know

New Orleans, early September 1949

Paul Gayten (vcl,p) Taft Jordan (tp) Eddie Barefield (as) Buddy Tate (ts) Cecil Payne (bs) Denzil Best (d) unknown g,b

R-1203 I'll never be free

New Orleans, February 1950

Annie Laurie (vcl) Paul Gayten (p) John Hunt (tp) Chippy Outcalt (tb) Eddie Barefield (as) Ray Abrams (ts) Aaron Bell (b) Sam Woodyard (d) Howard Biggs (arr)

Just to confuse things....

I have "You Ought to Know" on a Paul Gayten/Annie Laurie LP on the Swedish Route 66 label. It gives a location/date as New Orleans, late 1949, with this personnel:

Paul Gayten - piano & vocal; Wallace Davenport - t; Lee Allen - ts; Frank Campbell - as, bar; Jack Scott -g; George Pryor - b; Robert Green - d

This is a much more likely personnel for a New Orleans recording; I doubt those New York guys would have made the trip south. The tune is a nice, moody ballad with a good tenor solo. The whole album is excellent early New Orleans R & B.

The album has one track, "Goodnight Irene," with Mobley listed on tenor. Unfortunately, there's no tenor solo. I always chuckle at one line of "Broadway's on Fire": "That bebop is okay, but I've got to have some blues."

When Buster Brown recorded the same song in 1962, he changed the lyric to: "Rock n roll's all right, but I've got to have the blues."

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

awesome, do report back what that 'A' side is like.........

[AllenLowe]

somewhere I have a Paul Gayten reissue CD on Specialty with some Regal things with Mobley, and I'm pretty sure there's no solos.

Edited April 6, 2010 by AllenLowe

[JSngry]

A good Lee Allen solo or two is nothing to be disappointed about!

[AllenLowe]

funny you mention him - I have a 1950 version of Professor Longhair playing "She's Lost Her Mind," and in the Lee Allen tenor solo he plays part of the Tenor Madness riff - before Tenor Madness, of course.

[JSngry]

Lee Allen was a damn good player.

[BruceH]

A good Lee Allen solo or two is nothing to be disappointed about!

Indubitably!

[jeffcrom]

Well, it's a good record, but Mobley doesn't play anything except arranged riffs with the bari sax player. I got another Paul Gayten 78 at the same time that I actually like better: "Fishtails" and "Confused." It's not from the session with Mobley, but I don't yet know who's on it.