Aggie87 Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 An Arab man has been sentenced to 18 months in prison on charges of “rape by deception” after an Israeli court found him guilty of tricking a Jewish woman into having consensual sex by posing as a Jewish bachelor wanting a serious relationship. AFP - An Israeli court's jailing on a rape charge of an Arab man it ruled had duped a Jewish woman into consensual sex by lying about his ethnicity caused a stir on Wednesday. The Jerusalem District Court "has gone too far," the liberal Haaretz daily quoted Elkana Laist of the public defender's office as saying. The court sentenced Sabbar Kashur, 30, to 18 months behind bars on Monday, after finding that he had had sex with the woman by posing as a Jewish bachelor interested in a long-term relationship. Full article: Consensual sex with Jewish woman lands Israeli Arab in jail ...... I don't know what to think - would you consider this to be rape? I didn't put this in the political section, so let's try to not get too political here. I think it's something that could have happened anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 A man lying to get sex. How unusual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 I once saw a woman say on Crossfire that if a man got his date drunk, it was rape because she was by definition unable to give consent. I believe that the word "rape" should be reserved for only the most serious instances. Otherwise I fear that it will dilute the seriousness of real rape. I imagine that men have lied to women in order to get laid since time began. I don't think that a woman should be going to the police saying, "I had sex with a man who lied to me." I guess my feeling is that there are things that people should not do that should not be illegal, not because they are not wrong, but because I don't think the government should be reviewing every moment of every person's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjazz Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 Maybe it could be considered "Fraud?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILLYQ Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 I once saw a woman say on Crossfire that if a man got his date drunk, it was rape because she was by definition unable to give consent. What if they're both drunk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 A man lying to get sex. How unusual. No shit. I've never heard of such a thing! But seriously, this is absurd. It sounds like he's serving time, not for lying, or for taking advantage of the woman, but for claiming he was Jewish when he's Arab. Sounds like that's what got the court's blood boiling, and that's just plain bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 I'm not so sure, anyway, that saying you're Jewish is the way to get a woman - I had more luck with the old Lion Tamer gambit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 Since Mark brought it up, I feel compelled to point out that the UK has a very similar law. May not impact whether you think its a Jewish purity thing or not but interesting nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 There was a comic who did a bit where, if you can finish any sentence with "... but I got laid," then you're fine. In this guy's case, guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 Since Mark brought it up, I feel compelled to point out that the UK has a very similar law. May not impact whether you think its a Jewish purity thing or not but interesting nonetheless. I think the story said there was some precedent for this in the U.S. as well, although it wasn't specified. I can't imagine it would have anything to do with ethnicity though. The woman may be upset after the fact about her choice in men, but if it was consensual and the guy didn't lie about having some STD or something that could physically harm the woman, then. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kevin Bresnahan Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 Meatloaf would be in trouble... Paradise by the dashboard light indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 I seem to remember a case like this in law school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 Meatloaf would be in trouble... Paradise by the dashboard light indeed. I don't see why - she insisted that he swear undying love, and he did so. I couldn't take it any longer Lord I was crazed And when the feeling came upon me Like a tidal wave I started swearing to my god and on my mother's grave That I would love you to the end of time I swore that I would love you to the end of time! So now I'm praying for the end of time To hurry up and arrive Cause if I gotta spend another minute with you I don't think that I can really survive I'll never break my promise or forget my vow But God only knows what I can do right now I'm praying for the end of time It's all that I can do Praying for the end of time, so I can end my time with you!!! There was no rape by deception - he swore he would love her til the end of time, and she gave it up. By the lyrics I'd say that even countless years later, he refuses to disavow that love, even though "God only knows what I could do right now." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 A man lying to get sex. How unusual. Indeed. What is this world coming to? To think that men will lie to women in order to have sex...I'm stunned. No--Shocked! Shocked, that there is lying going on, lying for sex!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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