chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 9, 2011 Report Posted May 9, 2011 makes more sense, the two freddie originals lp....well my ny usa mono copy....unusual for bluenotes of this era, the 7 in 4207 is changed, rather noticeably, as a change, to an "8" to make it 4208. i do not know if vol 1 reads as 4208 back into a 7. right now im jamming to 'breaking point'. have we discussed the SQ before, on organissimo? not rvgs greatest achievent..... Quote
erhodes Posted May 9, 2011 Report Posted May 9, 2011 makes more sense, the two freddie originals lp....well my ny usa mono copy....unusual for bluenotes of this era, the 7 in 4207 is changed, rather noticeably, as a change, to an "8" to make it 4208. i do not know if vol 1 reads as 4208 back into a 7. right now im jamming to 'breaking point'. have we discussed the SQ before, on organissimo? not rvgs greatest achievent..... RVG didn't record "Night of the Cookers". The engineer was Orville Obrien (Obrian?). Ed Rhodes Quote
clifford_thornton Posted May 9, 2011 Report Posted May 9, 2011 Recorded some Prestige sides as well as - I think - a few ESPs.It's O'Brien. Quote
John L Posted May 9, 2011 Report Posted May 9, 2011 Anybody know the actual recording order? As I understand, Volume 2 was recorded first, on April 9, 1965. Volume 1 comes from April 10. Quote
John L Posted May 9, 2011 Report Posted May 9, 2011 Yes. But if they originally had it the other way, I wonder why they changed it? Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 10, 2011 Author Report Posted May 10, 2011 heyyyyyy! thanks jsngry, i wanted to hear that from someone all day! hey so yea i dont get it either....did they want to start w/ standards and ease on in to the freddie originals? we have to ask michael cuscana what he thinks, actually he prob doesnt have a clue, BUT HES SEEN THE TAPEBOXES hed have -something- to say abt it! I HAD A FEELING abt the engineer i had a feeling. cause i read abt on a prev thread (the search feat. is so hard), and it said freddie handed the tapes over to BN to fufill his contract so he can move to Atlantic . plus the quality is diff, but i dont care, Breaking Point COOKS. im so happy i got it, at first i was unsure, but im keeping it forever Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 10, 2011 Author Report Posted May 10, 2011 the lp says recording by orville o'brien RE-RECORDING AND MASTERING: RVG re-recording? heyyy i found this db review in another thread of vol 1: Freddie Hubbard "The Night of the Cookers" Pensativa/Walkin'. Blue Note Q 8LP4207 0 BST84207 (12 in., 45s. lid. Incl. PT) 'Location' recording (i.e. when portable equipment is taken to a club or concert) involves a dangerously high element of chance. Having taken his gear along to Brooklyn's "Club La Marchal" last year, engineer Orville O'Brien must have realized, with despair, that he had chosen a night when the musicians were simply off form. For this is not a particularly good example of either Freddie Hubbard or his guest, Lee Morgan. I suspect, in fact, that if the musicians had had any say in the matter they might well have decided not to sanction the issue of this LP. In retrospect (and how easy it is to be wise after the event) the cards appear to have been stacked against the project right from the start. There is, after all, no reason to suppose that a regular unit (in this case Freddie Hubbard's quintet) will benefit from the addition of a couple of guests (Morgan on trumpet, Big Black on conga drum). The musical balance of the regular group is thrown off-centre and it is clear at the outset that no one was very happy with Clare Fischer's Pensativa. As is sometimes the case with lack-lustre performances, both tracks go on far too long, and this is an occasion when less might have meant more. The total playing time is over 40 minutes, yet I suspect that the really valuable moments could all go on to a single EP. Incidentally, the sleeve carries an advertisement for a second volume (Blue Note mono BLP4208 stereo BST84208) from the same session, and again comprising only two titles. If the present LP is anything to go by, then I suspect that we shall be presented with yet more filibustering by Hubbard, Morgan, Black, James Spaulding, Harold Mabern, Larry Ridley and Pete LaRoca. A.M Quote
sidewinder Posted May 10, 2011 Report Posted May 10, 2011 heyyy i found this db review in another thread of vol 1: Freddie Hubbard "The Night of the Cookers" Pensativa/Walkin'. Blue Note Q 8LP4207 0 BST84207 (12 in., 45s. lid. Incl. PT) 'Location' recording (i.e. when portable equipment is taken to a club or concert) involves a dangerously high element of chance. Having taken his gear along to Brooklyn's "Club La Marchal" last year, engineer Orville O'Brien must have realized, with despair, that he had chosen a night when the musicians were simply off form. For this is not a particularly good example of either Freddie Hubbard or his guest, Lee Morgan. I suspect, in fact, that if the musicians had had any say in the matter they might well have decided not to sanction the issue of this LP. In retrospect (and how easy it is to be wise after the event) the cards appear to have been stacked against the project right from the start. There is, after all, no reason to suppose that a regular unit (in this case Freddie Hubbard's quintet) will benefit from the addition of a couple of guests (Morgan on trumpet, Big Black on conga drum). The musical balance of the regular group is thrown off-centre and it is clear at the outset that no one was very happy with Clare Fischer's Pensativa. As is sometimes the case with lack-lustre performances, both tracks go on far too long, and this is an occasion when less might have meant more. The total playing time is over 40 minutes, yet I suspect that the really valuable moments could all go on to a single EP. Incidentally, the sleeve carries an advertisement for a second volume (Blue Note mono BLP4208 stereo BST84208) from the same session, and again comprising only two titles. If the present LP is anything to go by, then I suspect that we shall be presented with yet more filibustering by Hubbard, Morgan, Black, James Spaulding, Harold Mabern, Larry Ridley and Pete LaRoca. A.M I have that very LP (the Gramophone magazine review copy) in my collection. Still near mint ! Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 10, 2011 Author Report Posted May 10, 2011 wow, you know: this is actually one of the most controversial blue note records of all time. im so happy i got it Quote
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