Soulstation1 Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 If Joe Pa was 100% innocent Why did he get fired from his job of 50/60 years?
Tim McG Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) If Joe Pa was 100% innocent Why did he get fired from his job of 50/60 years? Scapegoat, SS1. Happens all the time in sports and in politics. Besides, I never said he was 100% innocent. All I've been saying is to blame Joe Pa for Sandusky's serial child abuse isn't even 1% of the truth. TBH, there was a reason then: To make Paterno appear to be the guilty one and to keep the focus off the Penn State authorities who should have carried through when McCleary first reported the incident. The subsequent charges against them and resignations, I think, prove as much. Edited June 25, 2012 by GoodSpeak
Blue Train Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) Why would anyone conveniently transfer his share of his house to his wife "for for a dollar plus “love and affection.”"? There is no real tax advantage in doing so. It does protect however the house from any civil case, which might result for any reason on the other hand. Who knew what and when they knew it will eventually come out once any criminal case against those others at Penn St., and/or civil cases start..., and there might be some against Paterno...especially with his estate receiving a $13.4 million pension. Penn St. has only recently released documents to Prosecutors, which show they had a file on Sandusky....as well as the emails. The best that can be said about McQueary and Paterno is that they did the very least possible legally in 2002. After that, it was Pontius Pilate for both of them. Why Sandusky was still allowed on the campus or what happened? They did not care after that to follow-up with a simple question. In Paterno's case that is even worse. Edited June 26, 2012 by Blue Train
RDK Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 There's more than enough blame to spread around.
Blue Train Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 There's more than enough blame to spread around. It was an EPIC FAIL by all those involved.
PHILLYQ Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 There's more than enough blame to spread around. It was an EPIC FAIL by all those involved. ALL THOSE INVOLVED! They did a regular Catholic Church move, protect the institution at the expense of kids.
Tim McG Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) There's more than enough blame to spread around. ALL THOSE INVOLVED! They did a regular Catholic Church move, protect the institution at the expense of kids. That and offer a cancer stricken sacrificial lamb [Paterno] up to the media fenzy. Paterno transfers his stuff to somebody else because the sue-happy society we live in would go for the money regardless of who is at fault. That still doesn't prove guilt. This fish stinks from the head down. Edited June 26, 2012 by GoodSpeak
Soulstation1 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 Ok Joe Pa's house was valued at ~$600K Paterno reported the McQuery claim the very next day NOT waiting the entire weekend
Blue Train Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Paterno reported the McQuery claim the very next day NOT waiting the entire weekend No, he waited until after the weekend. So to not to ruin their weekend. He said so himself in a deposition. Edited June 26, 2012 by Blue Train
Soulstation1 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 Looked up paterno's deposition and you are correct I looked up something and it said he reported it the next day
Blue Train Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) In fact, now that I find it....he might have even waited longer than Monday. He doesn't even remember when in the next week he finally told someone. He only remembers doing it within the week. Even being kind and giving him the benefit of the doubt because of his age....and it was Monday. That's around 48 hours afterwards. Yeah, he definitely did everything he could. http://sportsbybrooks.com/transcript-joe-paterno-grand-jury-testimony-29933 Edited June 26, 2012 by Blue Train
Soulstation1 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 Saw a comment on the link If this was Paterno's grandson would he have waited to report until the following week? I doubt it
Tim McG Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 All second guessing, SS1. That still doesn't make Joe Pa culpable in the least. Sandusky is the criminal here.
Blue Train Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Saw a comment on the link If this was Paterno's grandson would he have waited to report until the following week? I doubt it Would you want your kid/grandchild having to depend on anyone who thinks 48 hours to a week afterwards is doing everything they can? Edited June 26, 2012 by Blue Train
RDK Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 There's more than enough blame to spread around. It was an EPIC FAIL by all those involved. ALL THOSE INVOLVED! They did a regular Catholic Church move, protect the institution at the expense of kids.
Aggie87 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 Sandusky is the criminal here. Nobody's arguing that point.
Larry Kart Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 Sandusky is the criminal here. But not the only one, given the eventual likely prosecution and possible conviction of high-level Penn State administrators involved in the coverup of Sandusky's deeds, that coverup (if real and proved in court) of course being a criminal act. And again, while Joe Pa almost certainly didn't mastermind that coverup, the protection and defense of his longstanding hegemony at Penn State was far from incidental to it. Yes -- these things are not yet proved in courts of law, and yes, there is a hue and cry afoot here, but it's hard to see that some hue and cry is not called for.
Tim McG Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 Sandusky is the criminal here. But not the only one, given the eventual likely prosecution and possible conviction of high-level Penn State administrators involved in the coverup of Sandusky's deeds, that coverup (if real and proved in court) of course being a criminal act. And again, while Joe Pa almost certainly didn't mastermind that coverup, the protection and defense of his longstanding hegemony at Penn State was far from incidental to it. Yes -- these things are not yet proved in courts of law, and yes, there is a hue and cry afoot here, but it's hard to see that some hue and cry is not called for. I think once all the fact is separated from the frenzy, it will be enough to exonerate Paterno. But, that will never satisfy the "what if'ers" of the world. And so it goes...
Blue Train Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Once again....would anyone want their kid/grandchild having to depend on anyone who thinks 48 hours to a week afterwards isn't a problem? There isn't a single thing that can exonerate his waiting 2 days to a week to tell anyone what he knew, or the fact he never bothered to follow up in anyway. The reason he gave is nauseating and helped make it impossible to find the victim, which helped make it possible for Sandusky to continue for who knows how many more years. If he was involved in a cover-up of the first reported incident in 1999 or after 2002 is a different discussion. Only time will tell with that and it will eventually come out one way or another. Edited June 26, 2012 by Blue Train
Blue Train Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) I have gone back and re-read this thread. All I have to say....can anyone imagine what would have happened to the Apologist (who is somehow a teacher and thus making him legally required to report such things!) for "Saint" Paterno if he did the exact same thing as "Saint" Paterno? Keeping in mind he doesn't have even .00000000000000001 (I could add in a whole lot more zeros but everyone gets the point) of the power as "Saint" Paterno @ Penn St. He's informed of a kid being fondled/sodomized, or anything sexual happened between a minor and adult. He proceeds to not do a single damn thing for 2 days to a week and the reason he gives is because he didn't want to ruin anyone's weekend. That doesn't even get to Pontius Pilate part. Edited June 27, 2012 by Blue Train
Tim McG Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 GoodSpeak is out of his friggin' mind. Saved for posterity. When you become a legal authorized/required reporter of child abuse then you can talk to me, Chuck. Until then, well.... I think, and stop me if I alrerady said this, once the fact is separated from the frenzy, it will be enough to exonerate Paterno. And again, the "what if'ers" of the world will never be satisfied.
Chuck Nessa Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 Happy to see this exchange at the top of a new page.
Blue Train Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) Would anyone want their kid/grandchild, or even their worst enemies kid/grandchild having to depend on anyone (especially anyone who is somehow allowed to teach children and thus legally required to do so.) who thinks 48 hours to a week after being informed of a kid being fondled/sodomized, or anything sexual happened between a minor and adult? Edited June 27, 2012 by Blue Train
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