papsrus Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 He had been in and out and dealing with some internet issues a while ago, I think. But has he given us up for good? Haven't seen hide nor hair of him in ages. Miss his contributions, enthusiasm and insights into African musics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Ptah Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 He is fine. For a while, a family member needed his help and it took up a lot of his time, he told me. After that, I just think that he does not want to get involved with online forums any more. He commented in an email to me that even if he cut back his number of posts, it takes so long to read everything on Organissimo that he does not want to get involved with it again. I suspect that real life intervened and took precedence for him. I have vaguely heard of this "real life" thing. I am not sure what it is, and it sounds scary, so I think I'll just stay here instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I have vaguely heard of this "real life" thing. I am not sure what it is, and it sounds scary, so I think I'll just stay here instead. I hope MG is doing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Thanks HP. Glad to know all's well. I've kind of tried to scale back my own online time, so I hear you (or rather, hear MG). Organissimo (meaning, the folks here) is too valuable a resource for me to cut the cord altogether, though. But, here's hoping MG is groovin' magnificently, wherever he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) I try to avoid foreign entanglements; sometimes it's difficult. But I can never resist piling on when Charlie Rouse's name comes up. Edited November 23, 2011 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 I try to avoid foreign entanglements; sometimes it's difficult. But I can never resist piling on when Charlie Rouse's name comes up. Like a smother party. Who else needs doing in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Bobby Durham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 and what's his problem? Or, what's your problem with him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) He is fine. For a while, a family member needed his help and it took up a lot of his time, he told me. After that, I just think that he does not want to get involved with online forums any more. He commented in an email to me that even if he cut back his number of posts, it takes so long to read everything on Organissimo that he does not want to get involved with it again. MG is still a moderator here Edited November 23, 2011 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Bobby Durham. and what's his problem? Or, what's your problem with him? He'll go to hitting that rim on 2 & 4 about as quickly as anybody who's ever lived. That gets on my nerves really badly. I was in the Recovery Room one night when he did that on Marchel, and Marchel turned around and got it stopped immediately. Just one more reason why Marchel remains my hero. Per precedent, this qualifies him as an anti-musical hack whose work should be digitally edited out of existence, and qualifies me to disregard his basic proven abilities and his work history in the service of furthering my notion that "jazz" is really a lesser music, because, you know, too much improvisation takes away from the compositional perfection that could have been achieved if the parties involved would have been smarter and/or more motivated. Players like Bobby Durham should just cease to exist, period. Go tell it on the mountain! That's what seems to be all the rage these days, and I don't want to be left too far behind. Ok, I sarcasticate a little. But that 2 & 4 rim thing of his really has pushed me over the edge more than once in the privacy of mine and/or somebody else's home. It's a swing killer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 When Marchel got that stopped, how did Durham react, both attitudinally and musically? Did he play better, and did he looked pissed. "Dude, I know its your gig but that's my thing. Don't fuck with my thing." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 He played better and he looked a little pissed. And he stepped down after the tune was over. Based on the recorded evidence, though, I don't think that the esperience had a lasting effect on him. A few years before he dies, Marchel did the same thing to a younger, much less well-established local player who was sitting in (and let me note that Marchel would be encouraging of people who were still working on their skills, but who had the right feel for his thing. But if you came at him with a feel that he didn't like, especially if you had developed your skills, he'd...let you know ) . The guy started hitting that 2 & 4 on the rim, and Marchel turned around and told him none too quietly, "get the knife outta my back, man, get the knife out of my back!" The younger man looked a lot pissed and did not play better, which is why all this talk of hackdom and worthlessness and such seems to me to be cheap visceral thrills gotten from using evaluations appropriate for one tier of talent on another. I would never call Bobby durham a hack, although I would certainly feel comfortable expressing my opinion that his sense of swing does not stimulate mine, as well as noting the fact that that 2 & 4 rim thing he does stirs a rage in me like few other things do, musically or otherwise. But I would never call him a hack, because that would just not be accurate. Groove-assassin, yes. Hack, no. Then again, that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Groove-assassin, yes. Hack, no. Problem is today's kids would think that is a compliment. Heck, I wouldn't mind having a t shirt that said "Groove Assassin." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) Yeah, if it's assassination by groove, it's cool. Of groove, not so much. Edited November 23, 2011 by JSngry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Good to get HP's info on MG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cih Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Yeah, if it's assassination by groove, it's cool. Of groove, not so much. Fig 1: (I'm sure I had a life somewhere ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 But see, that's an assassinator. Whole 'nother thing. Like, an alligator is not an allig. Or, a terminator is not a termin. English is an odd language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeCity Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Jim, does your distaste for the 2&4 rim extend to something like Sam Woodyard playing behind Gonzalves on Ellington's band? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted November 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 I think MG would approve of the direction this thread has taken. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Jim, does your distaste for the 2&4 rim extend to something like Sam Woodyard playing behind Gonzalves on Ellington's band? Not at all! Woodyard uses it with authority and hard groove, right in the pocket. Durham (and most others) hit it too light and with the effect of stiffening up the time, not propelling it. Fine line, I know, and wholly subjective as to where "there" is, but hey... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeCity Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 1322083339' post='1156104'] 1322081244' post='1156088'] Jim, does your distaste for the 2&4 rim extend to something like Sam Woodyard playing behind Gonzalves on Ellington's band? Not at all! Woodyard uses it with authority and hard groove, right in the pocket. Durham (and most others) hit it too light and with the effect of stiffening up the time, not propelling it. Fine line, I know, and wholly subjective as to where "there" is, but hey... OK, then. Sorry I blew up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 That was a blow up? Sorry, I missed that...seemed like a totally reasonable question to me... Maybe next time you should use the JohnnyPic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeCity Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Kidding. I should've included some kind of winky emoticon to indicate my sarcasm. I actually stole the "sorry I blew up" line from FreeForAll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold_Z Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Can anybody give me a refresher on the two drummers that are named Bobby Durham? I kind of vaguely remember this being discussed some years ago but remember none of the details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasimado Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 And here I thought swing was passe on this board! Nice to hear that it's not! Just a nice even 4 ... and a fine soloist. What more could one ask... Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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