Why Jazz Isn't Cool Anymore

[Face of the Bass]

I'm thinking this thread is evidence item #1 why jazz isn't cool anymore.

i wouldn't necessarily say that. but i would say this thread has now become officially boring and is already well into the category of jazz music forum threads that devolve into meaningless pontificating on what usually turn out to be one (or all) of the following: is marketing/money necessary to make art? is jazz black music? can white people play jazz? does wynton suck ass (and why/how)? how do you define swing (and could bill evans swing)? can/should you be able to separate an artist's personal behavior from his music/art? can pop music elements be used in jazz forms/musics? and if so, is jazz a higher artform than blah blah blah... all of these "topics of discussion" are sooooooooooooooooo played. for me personally, they're boring before they've begun. been there, done that. it's like going back to high school.

vomit.

Payton seems to be quite an adolescent asshole. maybe he'll grow up soon. he's also an excellent trumpet player. afaic, that's all there is here.

Yes, it's much better to restrict discussion topics to the numbering system deployed by Mosaic for their limited edition box sets. That's always more enlightening and entertaining. Seriously, instead of divebombing into a thread and crapping all over the discussion, why don't people who are not interested in what is being discussed simply stop reading it?

thank you, face of the bass, for pointing out an essential element i had inadvertently left out of my salient analysis of current internet forum trends in post-cold war U.S.A.: in threads like these (see my post above which facebass was kind enough to repost), you can almost always count on folks to chime in and say they think the thread has become a useless repetition of jive 'debates' that have come and gone endlessly in the past which never cast any real illumination on the 'subjects' being pontificated on. and then, like clockwork, you can count on someone to counter by asking said person to leave the thread if they don't like it. this request is as meaningless and unconstructive as the thread itself.

look for my full report in an upcoming issue of Scientific American. big beat steve will be referenced for his 'smooth jazz' contribution...

Well, what I found most interesting about your laundry list of boring topics inevitably beaten to death in jazz forums is that none of them described what we have been talking about in this thread. Which makes me wonder what kind of special asshole it takes to come into a thread and complain about how stupid such threads are without having made any actual contribution to the topic at hand, knowing that this will annoy people who are actually getting something out of the thread.

If you come into a thread and loudly tell everyone how dumb and pointless the discussion is, expect to be challenged.

you're funny. i was the first person to comment/post in this thread. way to go man. and look who's the one who feels it necessary to resort to personal attacks/name-calling when he feels "challenged." again - you're funny.

I don't resort to personal attacks, I deploy them strategically. Because I'm just that brilliant and amazing a human being. Either that, or my use of ad hominems is actually a lashing out in order to mask my own sense of staggering inferiority when faced with ideas and opinions that are not in accordance with my own. Alien worldviews, and all that. It's one or the other: I'm either brilliant and amazing or incredibly insecure.

[Face of the Bass]

By the way, the above post is my half-assed attempt at apologizing. I should not have called you an "asshole." That was uncalled for and I am sorry.

[AllenLowe]

you shoulda just edited it out.

[thedwork]

By the way, the above post is my half-assed attempt at apologizing. I should not have called you an "asshole." That was uncalled for and I am sorry.

thanks face of the bass. accepted.

you are one of the rare few i've seen on internet forums to sincerely apologize after writing something outta line. and yours, in this thread, wasn't even really that bad comparatively. as a matter of fact, i've had multiple private messages sent to me here by one poster that were almost all filled w/ rude, invective name-calling. the moderators had to take care of it. it was ugly and he never apologized. it's above him. instead of the borderline mentally unstable, rude private messaging tactic, he's now taken to occasionally shadowing me on certain threads to insult my posts. sad yet fascinating obsession. come to think of it, writing it up would make for a good sister article to my upcoming Scientific American piece on music thread devolution...

[Face of the Bass]

you shoulda just edited it out.

I'm a historian...I think that it's better to leave the record as it is.

[Chuck Nessa]

I agree.

[AllenLowe]

I never apologized, btw, to the Dwork because:

1) my messages were in response to his absolute and repeated rudeness to me on a private level and

2) I was goofing around, dammit. And as for shadowing, it's a two-man sport.

[Chuck Nessa]

always take both sides of an argument. That way you are always right.

[AllenLowe]

Good point.

though I disagree...

[David Ayers]

I agree.

Ah yes - but rewriting history is more fun. In that spirit, I will now take this quotation and retrospectively edit it into my past posts by way of celebrity endorsement.

What do you think about that Chuck?

I agree.

[oh this is going to be easy... I just need to crack that timestamp code thingy...]

[king ubu]

[oh this is going to be easy... I just need to crack that timestamp code thingy...]

What?

[David Ayers]

[oh this is going to be easy... I just need to crack that timestamp code thingy...]

What?

When you quote a post it adds a timestamp - e.g.

quote name='king ubu' timestamp='1324169848' post='1161215'

[Lazaro Vega]

More on #BAM (in response to Christian McBride).

http://nicholaspayton.wordpress.com/

[Chalupa]

http://www.citypaper.net/features/2012-01-26-pianist-orrin-evans-black-american-music.html

[David Ayers]

I don't know what is more boring - jazz, or ... know what, I can't be bothered...

[AllenLowe]

to paraphrase a well known saying, talking about jazz is like lecturing on the social origins of 1920s urban jazz before a classroom of PHD candidates at Columbia University.

[Lazaro Vega]

http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/01/controversial_jazz_artist_nich.html

[Lazaro Vega]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/ct-ott-0203-jazz-scene-20120202,0,5694701.column

[.:.impossible]

I hadn't ever really heard Payton until a couple of nights ago, watching "Icons Among Us" on Netflix.

There is a clip of a quintet toward the beginning of the doc that blew me away. The band was grooving so hard in a way that could only happen (sorry about this guys) post-Dilla. Out of all of the music showcased in this documentary, even though Wynton spoke over most of it, this small clip made me sit up and take notice.

[Chuck Nessa]

Like what you like. You may die because of your choices. On the other hand, it might only matter to you or me....

[Larry Kart]

... Look at

what passes for the new.

You will not find it there but in

despised poems.

It is difficult

to get the news from poems

yet men die miserably every day

for lack

of what is found there.

-- William Carlos Williams, from "Asphodel, That Greeny Flower"

[JSngry]

I say send every kid into a feed store and don't let them out until the lightbulb goes on.

Then, if they want to do the poetry thing, fine.

But only then.

Feed stores. If you don't know where one is within driving distance of your crib, shame on you.

And if you do know, stop on in, have a look around.

Life writes its own poetry.

[Larry Kart]

Williams was a family doctor, so I guess he was in a feed store of sorts.

[JSngry]

Take some kids to a feed store. Only after they figure it out should they be allowed to have an opinion.

It's community service, that's what it is.

[AllenLowe]

the variable foot. Words to live by.