paul secor Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Check out some of Henry Threadgill's titles and have a field day. Some great titles (and music) there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Triflin' is a bad word? I hear black kids white kids teachers using that word like its nothing. Didn't realize there was a negative connotation. I don't use it personally, because I didn't grow up down here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Triflin' is a bad word? I hear black kids white kids teachers using that word like its nothing. Didn't realize there was a negative connotation. I don't use it personally, because I didn't grow up down here. To kids, maybe not now, but down here, amongst people, say, 30 and older, if used in it's proper environment/context, it's about as strong a verbal assault on somebody's character as you can make. It's like, you're beyond sorry, you're beyond lazy, you're beyond piss-poor, you're triflin'. Strong words. White folks use the word too, but not with as intense of an intent. But maybe it's maybe it's a regional/age thing that is on its way out, yet another "private" expression diluted by general usage. There's a lot of those these days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlitweiler Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Au Privave Isn't "Au Privave" Granz's or a Granz employee's phonetic misspelling of the song Charlie Parker said (out loud) he titled "Apres Vous"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertoart Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Au Privave Here are some suggestions taken from a thread on Jazz Corner - a bit of jazz board intertextuality I've always heard that it's a phonetic mis-transformation of the french "Après Vous" (like "After you" I guess), that you say when holding a door for someone, from a time CP was playing France. From same thread re-"Klactoveesedstene"; I read (in the Penguin Guide, maybe?) that it was thought that "Klactoveesedstene" was a corruption of "Klact, auf wiedersehen", and meant something like "goodbye to noise". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete C Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 (edited) Au Privave Isn't "Au Privave" Granz's or a Granz employee's phonetic misspelling of the song Charlie Parker said (out loud) he titled "Apres Vous"? It's called Apres Vous on this album: That German stab at Klactoveedsedstene sounds outlandish. I'm pretty sure it's just bebop onomatopoeia. Edited April 10, 2012 by Pete C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffcrom Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 Check out some of Henry Threadgill's titles and have a field day. Some great titles (and music) there. "Spotted Dick is Pudding" was mysterious to me for a while, although our British members probably think that I'm pretty simple for being confused. I love Cecil Taylor's titles - they're like little poems. Probably my favorite is "One Too Many Salty Swift and Not Goodbye." I don't know exactly what it means, but at the same time I know exactly what it means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 "One Too Many Salty Swift and Not Goodbye"...tearful farewells? You're right, that's a poem unto itself, just eight words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 It's called Apres Vous on this album: On the Mercury CD it's given as "Au Privave", but the liner notes include a reproduction of the LP back cover, where it's "Après Vous". The mis-spelling explanation seems a reasonable one; I used to think it was the name of a French bar or similar, as traditionally their names often began with "Au". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 In my mind, Pitching cans are just old coffee cans that folks throw rocks at. Of course there could be a double entendre there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Obvious, you say? Well, not necessarily. Sometimes white folks learn a word like "triflin'" and jokingly use it on/to a black friend/associate/whatever, not realizing the depth of the insult that word is meant to convey. Bad move, and feelings do get hurt. "Triflin"??? Please, educate me. Seriously. I don't see it as insulting or a word that would come up in a joke; it's just a word as far as I know.Never mind; a google search reveals all. I'll be damned; I've never heard of the word being used that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertoart Posted April 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) Here is what looks like a fascinating article on A Jackson In Your House. Unfortunately I am not affiliated, so can't get past the moneywall. My link Edited April 12, 2012 by freelancer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Here is what looks like a fascinating article on A Jackson In Your House. Unfortunately I am not affiliated, so can't get past the moneywall. My link I can access that journal but with a one year delay... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 On a related note, I was just enjoying this interview with Melvin Gibbs: http://www.invisibleoranges.com/2011/06/heavy-metal-be-bop-4-interview-with-melvin-gibbs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertoart Posted April 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Here is what looks like a fascinating article on A Jackson In Your House. Unfortunately I am not affiliated, so can't get past the moneywall. My link I can access that journal but with a one year delay... Please report back in 1 year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 I always wondered about the meaning of Herbie Hancock's 'Speak Like A Child'. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) me too; geez Bertrand, I knew some day we would agree on something.my favorite recent title, btw, is "Descent into the Mailroom." Edited April 13, 2012 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 I always wondered about the meaning of Herbie Hancock's 'Speak Like A Child'. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 My test was a success. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bertrand Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Referring to post #45, not #46. I don't quite get #46 Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Nor I it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Going Poestal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 I don't get post #52. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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