Question About an Unissued Don Cherry Atlantic Concert

[Luciano]

Does anyone have information about this unreleased Atlantic Records concert by Don Cherry? Lineup reported: Don Cherry – trumpet, vocals Janice "Jan" Cherry – violin Ricky Cherry – keyboards Stan Samole – guitar Claudio Ferreira – guitar Siegfried "Tiki" Busch – bass Anthony Busch – drums Naná Vasconcelos – percussion Raphael Cruz – percussion I’m asking because I’m not sure this concert ever actually took place. Any details, confirmation, or corrections would be greatly appreciated.

[clifford_thornton]

What's the date? I'm not seeing it listed in the discography here:

https://guitardiscography.com/wp-content/include-me/don-cherry/don-cherry-discography.php

Usually, Siegfried Busch is credited as "Sigi" Busch, rather than "Tiki." The personnel lines up with the Hear & Now period, but I'm not seeing this specific session.

[Luciano]

Ciao Clifford 

thanks

Blue Rock Studio, New York City, circa February, 1978

The news comes from the discography of Mike Hames and Roy Wilbraham, whom I believe you know, and I also agree with what you say about the Here & Now period. Unfortunately, dear Clifford,
I can no longer talk to Don about it (how many things I would like to ask him now). I say this because we saw each other many times between 1973 and 1991.

[Luciano]

1 hour ago, clifford_thornton said:

What's the date? I'm not seeing it listed in the discography here:

https://guitardiscography.com/wp-content/include-me/don-cherry/don-cherry-discography.php

Usually, Siegfried Busch is credited as "Sigi" Busch, rather than "Tiki." The personnel lines up with the Hear & Now period, but I'm not seeing this specific session.

Again 

Clifford, to clarify things a bit: since I wasn’t completely sure about these sessions, I wrote to Johann Haidenbauer to check my doubts.

Johann replied (in his very characteristic way): “Yeah, I think this is based on an interview that was published in DownBeat.”

I know Johann well enough to recognize that his “Yeah” usually means “yes, you’re on the right track”, but both he and I prefer to keep a small margin of uncertainty — old notes and memories can always be tricky. Still, in this case I’m fairly confident that my recollection is correct.

[clifford_thornton]

Very interesting, thanks.

Hames did some good work. 

[bertrand]

So this is a studio session for Atlantic, not a live record?

Could it have been lost in the Atlantic Fire?

[Luciano]

4 hours ago, bertrand said:

So this is a studio session for Atlantic, not a live record?

Could it have been lost in the Atlantic Fire?

I think so, and your hypothesis about how it was lost could also be correct.
I only have that information, which should be correct.
 

4 hours ago, bertrand said:

So this is a studio session for Atlantic, not a live record?

Could it have been lost in the Atlantic Fire?

I think so, and your hypothesis about how it was lost could also be correct.
I only have that information, which should be correct.
 

[Luciano]

I would like to return to the question of possible musical encounters between Don and Cecil. To my knowledge, no documented evidence confirms that they ever played together — although it seems quite plausible that they did. For this reason, I would be grateful for any information of the following kind: Henry Grimes (or any other musician, enthusiast, or collector) once mentioned that Don and Taylor played together… I hope my question is sufficiently clear, and that readers understand the spirit of what I am asking.

I should also mention that I have already written about this topic in the past and received some helpful replies. However, now that I believe I understand better how our forum works, I would like to gather everything in a single thread — and, from now on, to keep each topic unified in its own place.

[Luciano]

7 hours ago, Luciano said:

I would like to return to the question of possible musical encounters between Don and Cecil. To my knowledge, no documented evidence confirms that they ever played together — although it seems quite plausible that they did. For this reason, I would be grateful for any information of the following kind: Henry Grimes (or any other musician, enthusiast, or collector) once mentioned that Don and Taylor played together… I hope my question is sufficiently clear, and that readers understand the spirit of what I am asking.

I should also mention that I have already written about this topic in the past and received some helpful replies. However, now that I believe I understand better how our forum works, I would like to gather everything in a single thread — and, from now on, to keep each topic unified in its own place.

I’d like to add an important detail that comes from Buell Neidlinger’s interview in Cadence Magazine (Vol. 23, No. 10, October 1997). Neidlinger explains that Don Cherry attended all the rehearsals for a recording session he had organized with Cecil Taylor, and Cherry was supposed to be the trumpeter on the date.

However, on the eve of the recording, Ornette Coleman told Cherry that if he appeared on that session, he would no longer be welcome in Ornette’s group. Out of loyalty, Cherry withdrew at the last moment.

Neidlinger says that, suddenly left without a trumpeter, he called Nat Hentoff for advice. Hentoff told him: “Call Clark Terry and offer him double scale.” Which is exactly what Neidlinger did.

This episode confirms two things:

Cherry did play with Cecil Taylor at least during the rehearsals, even though no official recording exists.

The internal dynamics around Ornette’s group in that period were more complex than often assumed.

Neidlinger doesn’t tell the story in a polemical tone — he simply describes how things worked at the time, and how strong Ornette’s influence was on his musicians.

[JSngry]

As requested, the two threads have been merged.