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#1 The Mule

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 04:31 PM

Miles Davis' ex-wife, Frances Davis, works as the hostess at the Hamburger Hamlet on Sunset Boulevard in West Hollywood, California. She's still beautiful and has the body of a dancer. Totally charming woman.

She told me that a guy from Tower records on Sunset just gave her a huge poster of FRIDAY/SATURDAY NIGHT AT THE BLACKHAWK...

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...and they're going to hang it in the restaurant. As she described the cover to me (as if I didn't know what it looked like!) she said, "There's Miles and then there's my head giving him this look like, 'Wonder who he's foolin' around with now...'" We both shared a big laugh at that.

She told me she's working on her memoirs and that Columbia Pictures hired her as a consultant on a possible Mile Davis movie, "but that was five years ago" and it didn't seem like that movie was going to happen.

She also said that she was considering other opportunities for a movie of her life story.

She seemed totally open about who she is and her past with Miles and would probably be happy to chat with anyone about it should they stop by the restaurant.

Lovely, lovely woman...

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 04:36 PM

I'm glad you got to meet her! She has always impressed me as a wonderful woman from what I have read about her. And I'm not surprised she remains a beauty!

Miles . . . Miles . . . Miles. . . . He woulda/coulda/shoulda.

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 04:46 PM

Miles messed up big time. Frances was beautiful back then (and obviously still is now), and she obviously is charming and intelligent. Maybe you could convince her to join us here at Organissimo!

The Miles movie was supposed to star Wesly Snipes! It ain't gonna happen.

By the way, it's Frances, not Francis. Francis Davis is a jazz writer. You had me fooled there for a second!

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 04:51 PM

By the way, it's Frances, not Francis. Francis Davis is a jazz writer. You had me fooled there for a second!

Oops! It's been fixed. Thanks. ;)

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 06:59 PM

I know Francis Davis (husband of Terri Gross) and I just couldn't see him married to Miles. Miles, of course, might have thought otherwise. :g

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:27 PM

So, did you immediately recognize her????

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:30 PM

I know Francis Davis (husband of Terri Gross) and I just couldn't see him married to Miles. Miles, of course, might have thought otherwise. :g

I couldn't imagine him working in a Hamburger Hamlet either. I can envision Terri in a waitress costume however. :o

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:44 PM

Very cool, Mule.

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:49 PM

So, did you immediately recognize her????

Someone told me she worked there so I went to check it out. As soon as I saw her I knew it was true. She's a striking older woman who still has that dancer's body. She even walks toes-out. I was with a friend and he asked her if she was Frances Davis, wife of Miles Davis, and she smiled and said she certainly was. The conversation went from there.

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:57 PM

that is weird she is a hostest at the sunset blvd. hambuger hamlet

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 08:06 PM

I know Francis Davis (husband of Terri Gross) and I just couldn't see him married to Miles. Miles, of course, might have thought otherwise. :g

wow Chris that's two posts in the last couple days by you that allude to Miles and "the fellas", as it were. What are you getting at exactly? Something we should know about?

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 08:31 PM

I know Francis Davis (husband of Terri Gross) and I just couldn't see him married to Miles. Miles, of course, might have thought otherwise.  :g

wow Chris that's two posts in the last couple days by you that allude to Miles and "the fellas", as it were. What are you getting at exactly? Something we should know about?

I didn't think Miles' bisexuality was a secret at this point.

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 08:32 PM

Hamburger Hamlet... that brings back a memory (changing the subject just slightly ;)). One of my older brothers moved to L.A. back in the 70's, and I went down to help him move his stuff. I remember eating at a Hamburger Hamlet, and they served these HUMONGOUS glasses of beer... the size of a frigging birdbath, it seemed. I think (?) they called it a "schooner". Wow. Do they still sell those? Anyway, back to the topic at hand... :g

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 08:36 PM

Hamburger Hamlet... that brings back a memory (changing the subject just slightly ;)). One of my older brothers moved to L.A. back in the 70's, and I went down to help him move his stuff. I remember eating at a Hamburger Hamlet, and they served these HUMONGOUS glasses of beer... the size of a frigging birdbath, it seemed. I think (?) they called it a "schooner". Wow. Do they still sell those? Anyway, back to the topic at hand... :g

Unfortunately, I am unable to drink a giant schooner of beer at lunch. My lunchtime drinking ended when I moved from Chicago to oh-so-health-conscious Los Angeles. However, the Hamlet serves their soft drinks in HUGE glasses, so I suspect they probably do the same with the beer.

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 08:38 PM

I didn't think Miles' bisexuality was a secret at this point.

I've read about this a few times, but I just have one question -

Have any of his old boyfriends ever step out for an interview?

If not, is it prudent to take it for a fact?

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 08:55 PM

I didn't think Miles' bisexuality was a secret at this point.

I've read about this a few times, but I just have one question -

Have any of his old boyfriends ever step out for an interview?

If not, is it prudent to take it for a fact?

No need for details, but trust me on this one, Dmitry.

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 02:57 AM

Miles was linked to J. Edgar Hoover in that notorious biography from a few years back in which it was revealed that J. Edgar was a cross-dresser.

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 04:46 AM

what the hell are you talking about. ive never ever heard of miles being bi. is that your little consipirsy theory or is it based in some truth? if so what would that be exactly?

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 07:40 AM

Why is it such a big issue? While artistry distinguishes jazz musicians from most of us--and, indeed, each other--we are all cut from the same cloth. So, we shouldn't be shocked or even surprised to find that some fall outside of what the likes of Bush, Ashcroft, or Santorum consider "normal." To think otherwise is to be very, very na´ve.

BTW, shock and/or disbelief can be a reflection of bigotry--why be shocked unless one thinks being gay or bisexual is a negative?


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Posted 07 May 2004 - 07:49 AM

Why is it such a big issue? While artistry distinguishes jazz musicians from most of us--and, indeed, each other--we are all cut from the same cloth. So, we shouldn't be shocked or even surprised to find that some fall outside of what the likes of Bush, Ashcroft, or Santorum consider "normal." To think otherwise is to be very, very na´ve.

BTW, shock and/or disbelief can be a reflection of bigotry--why be shocked unless one thinks being gay or bisexual is a negative?

Yeah, why even make jokes about it?

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 07:55 AM

I seem to remember reading some minor discussion of this (Miles possibly being bi) in a recent book. I think it was probably John Szwed's excellent "So What: The Life of Miles Davis". Anybody have their copy handy? (Mine's out on loan at the moment, if I remember right.)

Nothing conclusive is discussed (as I recall), but enough discussion to give one the sense that it was certainly quite plausible that Miles was bi. When I read that section, I may have raised one eyebrow, but certainly not both. And hell, if Miles was bi, then that was probably one of the least radical things about the man - when you look at everything in his personal life.

By the way, I highly recommend Szwed's book. Incredibly well written (and a joy to read, for that reason alone), plus there is some significant coverage of some eras in Miles career that most other Miles biographers haven't delved into before (particularly his 1973-75 band). There's a long chapter about "In A Silent Way" that is also quite illuminating. Two thumbs up!!

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 08:07 AM

Yeah, why even make jokes about it?

Guess it's too late to ask Miles why he did. :g

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 08:09 AM

He was metrosexual too ^_^

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 08:29 AM

"I never even auditioned!"

Wow, did not know that. Never woulda thunk it...


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Gravelly, scratchy, whispering Miles' voice:

"C'mere boy! I wanna stick my dick in yo' ass"


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This is blowing my mind! :unsure:


But, I could really care less... -_-

Edited by Parkertown, 07 May 2004 - 08:30 AM.


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Posted 07 May 2004 - 08:45 AM

I seem to remember reading some minor discussion of this (Miles possibly being bi) in a recent book. I think it was probably John Szwed's excellent "So What: The Life of Miles Davis". Anybody have their copy handy? (Mine's out on loan at the moment, if I remember right.)

OK, I found my copy (guess I didn't have it checked out after all). But I couldn't find anything in the index about this topic.

My awfully hazy memory about all this tells me that Miles' brother, Vernon, was homosexual (am I remembering right?), and Miles' sexuality may have been discussed (briefly) in the context of talking about Vernon.

In any case, Miles being bi seems entirely plausible to me.

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 08:54 AM

The rumors (some general, some quite specific) have been going around for years. I've heard them for at least the last 25 years.

The matter also gets a bit of discussion in the revised Ian Carr bio, where it is discussed incionclusively, but with the tone that doing so was a matter of discretion, not of uncertainty.

No big deal afaic. After all, the cat WAS a Gemini...

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 09:59 AM

How'd my thread about meeting Frances Davis get turned into an argument over whether or not Miles was bi-sexual?! Sheesh! :huh:

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 10:13 AM

How'd my thread about meeting Frances Davis get turned into an argument over whether or not Miles was bi-sexual?! Sheesh! :huh:

One misplaced "i" did it.

Guess the "i" didn't have it. :g

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 10:28 AM

How'd my thread about meeting Frances Davis get turned into an argument over whether or not Miles was bi-sexual?! Sheesh! :huh:

Yeah, and to think I felt guilty for going off on a tangent about schooners! :unsure:

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 10:31 AM

How'd my thread about meeting Frances Davis get turned into an argument over whether or not Miles was bi-sexual?!  Sheesh!  :huh:

One misplaced "i" did it.

Guess the "i" didn't have it. :g

Yeah, I guess that's what started it, didn't it? :lol:



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