Michael Fitzgerald

True that the credits were added later. FWIW, despite (or perhaps because of) my love for The Nice, I am not a big fan of the first ELP album. Sounds thrown together - compositions aren't that great (3 Fates is a huge bore), production rather bland. That same material had more vitality in subsequent performances. Tarkus was at its peak on the triple LP. That 1973-74 period is where the band really hit their stride and technology had evolved enough to make things feasible. I give them high marks for trying things on the earlier records, but don't see unqualified successes on any of those. Of course by this time, so many other things had gone wrong - as can be seen in the film documentary of the European tour. Mike

http://www.brain-salad.com/Emerson/quote-list.txt There are more, too. The inability of Carl Palmer to play jazz is a major disapointment about ELP, particularly in the earliest period when they actually occasionally tried. Mike

I just followed the link to the SteepleChase site. Details of this album are now in my Bill Barron discography. When more details become available to me I will adjust it. Mike

Elegy has the shining example of Emerson as a jazz player in "Hang On To A Dream" - and the version of "My Back Pages" is a wonderful reinterpretation of the piece, inspired partly by the Keith Jarrett Trio version on Atlantic. Mike

Many thanks for the info. The Barron blurb is incorrect - only 3 Bill Barron originals. 2 are by Kenny Barron. Anyone know the city for Cobi's (as the SteepleChase page shows it on the CD cover). Mike

Title: New Sounds Artist: Art Blakey Format: CD Label: Blue Note Cat. Num.: CDP 7 84436 2 Rel. Year: 1991 02:54 10/19/1948 BN 340-0 The Fuller Bop Man 02:56 10/19/1948 BN 340-4 The Fuller Bop Man 03:15 10/19/1948 BN 341-0 Workshop [aka Blues For A Debutante] 02:30 10/19/1948 BN 342-2 Oh Henry 03:00 10/19/1948 BN 343-2 Moodamorphosis 02:32 10/25/1948 BN 346-0 Moody's All Frantic 03:00 10/25/1948 BN 344-0 Tropicana 02:34 10/25/1948 BN 345-1 Cu-Ba 02:44 10/25/1948 BN 347-0 Tin Tin Deo 02:58 12/22/1947 BN 322-3 The Thin Man 03:08 12/22/1947 BN 323-1 Bop Alley 03:06 12/22/1947 BN 323-2 Bop Alley 02:53 12/22/1947 BN 324-2 Groove Street 03:05 12/22/1947 BN 325-1 Musa's Vision Art Blakey, James Moody (ldr), Ernie Henry, Sahib Shihab (as), Musa Kaleem [Orlando Wright], James Moody (ts), Cecil Payne, Ernest Thompson (bar), Dave Burns, Kenny Dorham, Elmon Wright (t), Howard Bowe (tb), Walter Bishop, Jr., James 'Hen Gates' Forman (p), Laverne Barker, Nelson Boyd (b), Art Blakey, Teddy Stewart (d), Francisco 'Chano' Pozo (cga, v), Gil Fuller (arr) (Above is collective personnel) CD gives wrong recording date for Blakey material. Mike

Thanks - updated now. Mike

Yes, Koopman on Erato CDs - now OOP, I believe. I love these versions. Note that these use the Werckmeister III temperament, which is gorgeous and filled with color. Crispian Steele Perkins is trumpet soloist. Mike

Latest and greatest - nearly all issues done. Still have a few CDs to check and would love to get details on the unissued sessions as well as info from the session logs to detail takes, sequence, etc. http://www.JazzDiscography.com/Temp/uptown.htm Mike

No - as the two duplicate LPs from my last shopping trip sitting here next to me prove. The system works better for online shopping. Mike

Read on: http://www.billholland.net/words/vault.html Mike

I wouldn't say so - my Art Davis caveat was referring to comments in this thread. Mike

"With minor exceptions, every unissued pre-1969 Atlantic tape was destroyed." - Joel Dorn (from Coltrane Atlantic boxed set). Copies of some stuff have been found elsewhere. Mike

Thin orange stripes? I thought it was more thin white lines........

Dominant color of the spine or the front cover? (I assume you have spines facing out.) Or do you mean color of the actual media (Fantasy red vinyl)? In which case, do you eventually refile those defective CDs which are becoming brown? Or is it the dominant color of what you see with closed eyes when you listen........... Mike

I guess the main problem is, as bassist Art Davis (or rather, Dr. Art Davis, clinical psychologist) warned me - it is not appropriate to diagnose people from afar. Mike

Allen - Are you going by actual SAT score received, or have you adjusted earlier scores to align with the recent recalibration that they did on the test? Do you take highest score for multiple attempts or do you average them? Mike

A good memory will get you quite far in the label/number scheme (which is what I use for jazz). I also file by original issue number - so my Blue Note CDs, for example start with the 10" only stuff, then the 1500 series, then the 4000 series, then the LT, etc. and end with the 1985 and later new issues. It's my belief that filing this way teaches you more about the context of the album - what it's next to is what came out around the same time. You also start to learn the issue numbers somewhat - so I know that 4195 is Maiden Voyage, which follows immediately after Speak No Evil. 4175 is Empyrean Isles. I admit I do have a database - I try to use it to ensure that I don't re-buy things. Mike

It's my opinion that Art Taylor has more "pop" than Jimmy Cobb. He pushes things more and is a more inspiring player than Cobb. Perhaps a notch under Philly Joe, perhaps two notches under Art Blakey, say. Cobb does not have the lift that I like to hear. If you worship the Kelly-Chambers-Cobb section (and lots of people do), that's great. It's just not my favorite. I find them too subdued. Mike

Thanks for the confirmation - could someone ID what horns Lateef plays on those three tunes: Brother John; P. Bouk; Nu-Bouk - and if there are any other personnel alterations (does everyone else play on them)? Thanks! Mike

See my website for the "Muslim Names in Jazz" list. Mike

Like a 10% tip from the jerk at table 3? Mike

I know this one is a favorite of some here. I'm trying to sort out the discographical mess that is found in Bruyninckx (and copied by Lord) for what I *think* is a fairly simple premise. Am I right about the following two statements? 1. Lateef was recorded on only ONE night of this engagement at Pep's - June 29, 1964 (although this is wrongly listed as June 26, 1964 on Impulse IA-9353/2 "The Live Session") There was no June 26 recording, correct? 2. To own EVERYTHING, you just need the two CDs. (Right now I own the vol. 1 CD and the above Impulse 2-LP set, but it appears I'm missing three tunes, originally on the vol. 2 LP and now on the vol. 2 CD.) I'm not forgetting anything and the CDs didn't forget anything, correct? (The vol. 1 CD *does* contain the short final theme of Delilah even though it is not listed anywhere.) Current discographies have *three* separate entries (one using the 6/26 date), duplicating tunes, mislabeling tunes, etc. Mike

John Coltrane: Countdown. Taylor probably gets passed over because he didn't really contribute anything new or different - he just did the job really well. I prefer him to a lot of players - for example, I'm glad he was the Prestige guy rather than Jimmy Cobb. Mike

No, they are the standard versions. Almost everything on that record is under 4 minutes. Mike