AllenLowe

I don't know if you guys can't read, but if you look over my posts I have said REPEATEDLY that the issue is not drug addiction but its specific effect on Dexter - now I'm not surprised at Mrjazzman, who has decided to revisit this because he doesn't know any better, but this is getting a little bit silly - it's like the old Republican political technique - attack someone not for what he said but for what you want people to think he said and than let him defend himself against something he did not say - enough already -

"I'm going to remove all the completely irrational and stupid comments in this thread"' uh oh, now there's not going to be anything left -

I will do a little self-promotion here and suggest you pick up the Ma Rainey that Shout put out - it's too short, but Jack Towers did the original transfers and I did the restoration. It's quite listenable, if I must say so myself -

Red Pepper Pepper (my former guinea pig) Pepe la Pew

no, but there is that scene in the plantation office, and the slaveowner has Rawls's record playing in the background while he tries to tell the slaves that he has only their own good in mind - I think the song playing is "Love is a Hurtin' Thing" -

well, your case needs a rest -

I know he wasn't Chicken George as played by Ben Vereen -

or maybe the slave girl played by Leslie Uggams -

welll, that's only 4-1 - and I know another guy who doesn't like him - plus my wife - so it's still 4-3 but getting closer -

uh...well, let's not start THAT thread -

point is, mrjazzman (and here we are arguing about nothing) is that those producers and labels you mentioned were as concerned with quality as about sales - so your question is irrelevant -

"I think i know why you pick and choose which of my comments you respond to and the ones you don't respond to...." it is because I am trying to find the few coherent comments that I can respond to -

"Are you telling me those producers would have continued to record this dull boring guy if the record sales didn't warrant it??????????????????" I know for a fact that Schlitten didn't sell shit of Dexter's stuff - I worked for Schlitten many years ago -

I have NO problem with drug use per se, mrjazzman, and if you had read my posts more carefully you would understand that - I only pointed out that: 1) I don't like Dexter's playing and that 2) some of the things that I don't like about it are probably related to his drug use - I've worked with many junkies and alcoholics, as matter of fact, some of my best friends are addicted to various substances. I've been on the bandstand with 'em, watched em drink, and heard their junkie tales (Joe Albany was the most entertaining in this respect; he particularly liked his horse tranquilizer) - I still don't like Dexter's playing -

I've ordered it - as I mentioned - now, I don't know yet how bad the fidelity is - but I really do object to labeling interest in this as being only for completists - now, if there were 10 recordings commonly available for that period for Dolphy, that would be one thing - but this is, at least per general availability, the ONLY thing there is - and he is too important to ignore his middle period - just like 1940-42 Bird is not just for completists - or early 1950s Miles - or 1943 Bud POwell - or 1940 Dizzy - or 1923 Armstrong - or 1923 James P Johnson - or 1950s Jaki Byard - or 1945 Lenny Tristano - or 1948 Lee Konitz - or 1920s Coleman Hawkins -

I think those producers liked his playing, sales or not - that doesn't really prove either of us wrong or right -

not demeaning or belittling - just my opinion on his playing - there are many saxophonists I like - stylistically, from that school; I will name a few - Gene Ammons, Lester Young (of course), Nick Nicholas, Paul Quinnichette, Wardell Gray, non-saxophonist Dickey Wells (for behind-the-beat phrasing), Percy France, Dick Wilson, Earl Warren, Benny Carter (the last two just to name some oldtimers on another horn), Bobby Jones (the one who played with Red Nichols in the 1940s), Bud Freeman, Frankie Trumbauer (c-melody), Irving Fazola and Rod Cless (clarinets), Prez on clarinet - give me time and I'll come up with more -

mrjazzman: behind the beat phrasing/drugs - who knows the cause and effect? I stand by my original and COMPLETE statement - maybe he heard things that way because of the substances he used, I don't know, but I see the whole thing as related, that his physical impairment clearly effected the way he played. I hear this, as I said, in the way he seems to be calling himself back to attention at certain points, as though he has drifted - and yes, one can have a very nice sound on the instrument and still be uninspired as a soloist - it's like having nice penmanship and still being a bad writer - or, as with yourself, good typing technique -

gotcha - I always confuse the two - after all, both acted in movies -

the adventures of white-collar crime - I've always wondered if I robbed a bank and got caught and I agreed to pay the money back whether they would forgo jail time form me - something tells me no -

"Did Lou Rawls play a part in the TV series Roots?" yes, he was the slave-owner played by Chuck Connors -

and actually, I spent some time with Pepper in the middle 1970s - and his drug of choice was cocaine; he was on methadone also, and probably not using heroine - though he used just about anything else he could get his hands on - probably much like Dexter -

yikes, I missed that too - dumbass stuff, worth ignoring -

wait - I thought Dexter Gordon was white -

this has something to do, I believe, with my recent attacks on formalism - this obsession with the process, as though that, in it's philosophical splendor, is enough - however, my feeling is that the first chord in this performance made the point sufficiently -