AllenLowe

Russell claims it is a bio of Charlie Parker - allegedly non-fiction -

I took a long drive with Curley Russell, must have been around 1978, and the subject of this book came up - Curley was much amused by the book, had been there for much of the beginnings of bebop, and regarded it as complete fiction - AL Haig felt exactly the same way -

reading my post above, it sounds unnecessarily hostile - I just meant to reiterate that I knew a fair amount of musicians who participated in events supposedly described by Russell, and they, to a man, told me many things he described simply did not occur -

now, one could - and I would probably agree - make the argument that all this standards and straight-ahead stuff is irrelevant - but the point is, if you can't do it, stay away from it.

I don't really think so - they were playing a straight ahead gig and he could not keep the time - referring, as before, to people who have heard him play straight four - yes, but it's much different playing straight 4 with song form - in the big picture I would agree that if the music sounds good it is good, so this does not technically effect the other work he's done - it's just that, honestly, watching him on the stand at that time, completely clueless as to the mistakes he was making, was quite disconcerting, and makes it much more difficult for me to listen to him in other contexts -

yeah, but he should buy his own -

just found this - the Russell is crap - events are simply MADE UP - I have this from: Howard McGhee, AL Haig, Tommy Potter, Curley Russell, Dan Morgenstern (they were either there or knew the participants) - is that good enough?

not that early - the true indicatior is that he had no idea he was doing it - this is something I could tell when I was 12 - I'm willing to bet, put him in a straight-ahead group configuration and he'll do the same thing again - Nate, not too long ago, had a post about some free playing that was quite sloppy - free is no excuse - as Ornette said, he knew he was on to something when he realized he could make a mistake - some of these guys have no idea -

it was a bebop gig back in New Haven some years ago - they were playing standards - Hemingway was completely unaware, it was obvious - and you may have heard him play straight 4, but I'll bet it was not in standard form - if he is playing straight four over free improvising, you are much less likely to notice beat turnarounds, as there is no song form to return to -

this is one of my pet complaints, but the problem, too, is that everybody is a composer now, something that happened as soon as musicians realized that the money was in publishing - hence thousands of 70 minute jazz CDs with, maybe, 5 minutes of good composition - I once wrote a review (for Cadence) about some bad CDs made by very good players, titled: "Why Does Bad Music Happen to Good Musicians?"

I admire Hemingway - but have really been unable to listen to him since I heard him on a gig that required straight 4 timekeeping - and he could not do it, kept turning the beat around and drove the saxophonist crazy, as Hemingway did not even realize he was doing it -

yes, and I also had nothing to do with that poor greeting (quick, delete past entries)... but all seriousness aside, as Steve Allen used to say, via your challenge: "And Allen... I'm still waiting for you to recommend a Cd, made with Cedar, from a vinyl transfer, that sounds good - and since you haven't answered, I'll up the ante: The CD has to be a full range recording of 'modern' material recorded in a 'modern' way. That is wildly open to interpretation of course but I welcome your suggestions" actually I was thinking of historical material that had been issued on vinyl and than CD - as for contemporary or other full-range recordings, I don't really know as I don't listen to much and most of what I have is from original sources and not vinyl - my point in that challenege was that there's tons of beautifully mastered historical material on CD that has used CEDAR, which is indispensible for such things - one other thing I'll add, relative to older recordings, and I hope this does not make me seem like a Luddite - as long as the mastering is clean and straightforward, I do not worry about high resolution on old (maybe pre-1980) recordings, and I'll tell you why - I listen to the music as both a fan and as a historian, and I prefer to listen to it in much the same way that people were listening to it at the time it was issued - this is impossible, I know, but I like to get as close as is remotely possible - it gives me more of the original experience - and I like that - (particularly with rock and jazz lps) -

interesting post... the other thing to mention here, and I am ONLY speaking for myself - the majority of music I listen to these days is over 40 years old, so we should make the distinction between music recorded, say, from 1970 on and from 1970 before - with current mastering techniques, CD offers a lot of good sound for older music-

this is why I use a boom box - but seriously, the only way to resolve this is to have you both in the same room doing an a/b on the same sytem with the same recording - I'm neurotic myself when it comes to sound, but I understand the dilemma here. I would, agreeing with Seewhy, be cautious of any lab studies - that is, things in which sound is measured by looking at technical results, not listening to the actual source - I don't know if this is the case with these studies, but I wonder... .

not to add a new wrinkle, but I thought I would mention one thing, as we discuss transferring our beloved vinyl to DVD or CD or CDr or whatever - the most reliable storage medium for sound that we know of is vinyl - easy to store safely, lasts for a LONG time, will play over and over if cared for properly - will last forever if we handle it right - there is no digital medium I would trust half as much - so just keep all this in mind -

ManwiththeGolden Arm: feel free to post the pic here again - might help sell those damn Cds -

Teddy Wilson/Raymond Scott - pretty much the same -

thanks - I'll eat the evidence if need be -

my humble apologies for my previous thread - I would delete it but cannot figure out how to - these are still for sale: (yes, the only thing that can make me apologize is money): Jim - feel free to delete the previous offender: These are CDs for sale, prices include shipping: Bud Shank: The Bud Shank Quartet with Claude Williamson. Nice Japanese Import, Pacific Jazz, rec. 1956. $15 shipped. Sun Ra at the Village Vanguard - with John Gilmore, Chris Anderson, John Ore. Rec. 1991. Rounder. $9 shipped. Raymond Scott: The Unexpected: The Secret ? 1960 sorta jazz session with Toots Thielemans. $9 shipped. Buddy Guy Stone Crazy. $8 shipped. paypal or money order or check - paypal address is ammusic@maine.rr.com; email me at alowe@maine.rr.com -

that might work -

agreed -

intersting, NOF - you told me to shut the fuck up, but I should not make too big a deal of it - but you can make a major deal of my (more mild and joking) attacks on a fellow member - well, I can admit that I was probably out of line, but this is obviously something that would never occur to you - -

Never on Friday - mind your own business - honestly, Jim, there is no easy way for me to trace every thread on every post, but the guy has made a habit of disagreeing with me in snide ways - however, in the interst of organissimo harmon y I will cease and desist, as this is not worth the trouble for me - notice, by the way, that Never on Friday (and others) has used profanity towards me without a whimper of critcism from you or anyone else -

Jim - you're coming a bit late to this and that question of spam has already been dealt with - and I'm entitled to express my reaction to a post, and expressed my belief accordingly, and stood, later, corrected, without a problem and without need of your intercession (try reading the whole thread). As for expressing my dislike of a fellow member, funny you should direct that at me and not Couw, who has made a point of posting after me on more than one occasion to offer personal and direct criticisms -

if there's enough raw info, I'd like to read this book - interesting parallels with Lenny Bruce, vis a ve police harassment - Kempton's a bright guy but there's mistakes in his book on gospel -