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In my mind, Pitching cans are just old coffee cans that folks throw rocks at. Of course there could be a double entendre there.

Triflin' is a bad word? I hear black kids white kids teachers using that word like its nothing. Didn't realize there was a negative connotation. I don't use it personally, because I didn't grow up down here.

That video is a definitive no. Way too much Stanton Moore though. I saw him with Zigaboo, Porter, and Payton.

First thing I thought of was "Sound". Then another Nessa production... The AEC box. And Sonny Rollins on East Broadway Rundown, The Bridge. Bill Dixon Rob Mazurek

He does a scary James Booker. Another Booker student, David Torkanowsky, seemed to be able to do anything, any moment, all at once when I saw him play last year. A real surprise! Whether or no he's in the same tier as Jaki Byard is y'all's business!

I can agree with you to a degree. I''m intrigued enough though to keep listening. You do realized that MF DOOM is the rapper right? The music is supplied by other people. Maybe you would be more interested in Flying Lotus? 1983 is a good start. If you don't find it interesting, hey, you've tried!

Allen, when you say MF DOOM is gimmicky and amateurish, what are you referring to? I should add, in case you don't know, that he wears a homemade metal mask on stage.

Too bad you cut it. Yeah, some of it is disparaging, but you get it. I'm still surprised to read folks here comparing this to a jazz record.

Madlib has been making "jazz" records for years under various monikers. I think the Shades Of Blue project could have been so much better had he not been relegated to the BN catalog exclusively. If the focus was BN-centric, not BN-only, I imagine it would sound more Madlib. It is definitely not a prime example of his mixing ability. This is sold as a jazz festival, but everyone knows better. http://exactchangeproject.com/robert-glasper-experiment-featuring-mf-doom/.

CSA delivery is very easy to come by in RI, and in the mid-Atlantic.

I've been to a Wegmans. Ridiculously large. And the buffet rivals the store! I couldn't shop there regularly. Too big. Grew up with Ukrops. Fortunate to have a beautiful Harris Teeter right down the street, one of the nicer Food Lions across the road, Lowe's Foods back there, and Whole Foods and Trader Joes opening late spring. Though when it comes right down to it, we'd prefer to shop at Lovey's and the seasonal farmers markets. No problem with groceries down here!

Glad to see everyone checking in here and on FB. Stay safe.

Oh yeah. Both of these records are fantastic.

Well there's no Randy Travis here Jim, but I think you'll like this.

I just had a chance to listen to the first half hour or so. What's not to like? It sounds to me like a very well-produced r&b album. I'll buy this. Where is this "way ahead" stuff coming from? Are y'all trying to create an argument that this is not the way ahead for jazz? This isn't even a jazz record! Perhaps the way ahead for r&b? I don't hear anything groundbreaking here. Just a continuation of what has been for the past three decades. I definitely don't hear it as a "dead end". Am I the one that is confused here?

Hey no disagreement Allen. Just trying to understand your perspective. It's not like saying anything other than what it said. What I'm telling you is that hip-hop is alive and well, thriving in fact, and these are two high profile labels that are keeping it in the mainstream. Neither are exclusively hip-hop labels. Sub Pop released the Shabazz Palaces record last year... Most hip-hop is not on a label and is not for sale. It's just out there and the folks have moved on to the next one. You know, I heard John Coltrane for the first time via Terminator X at summer camp. I was probably eleven or twelve. I'm not as passionate about hip-hop as I am about other things. I don't even particularly enjoy rap/MCs for the most part. There are a handful that do blow my simple mind the way that Charlie Parker blows my simple mind though. MF DOOM and his various incarnations especially. I still haven't heard the Glasper album, but a hip-hop head friend of mine gave me one of his previous albums a few years back and I didn't make it through. I'm just not impressed with him as a piano player. Soft focus vaseline lens photography. I dig the concept here though. I'll check it out on my next run. There is a live clip of then doing Teen Spirit that another friend shared with me a couple of weeks ago that caught my ear. I liked the vocoder and sparse drumming a lot.

Home today with my 3 month old son, so we're digging through some records that Mommy doesn't particularly dig. I just listened to this for the first time today. I picked it up In Knoxville about a month ago, along with a sealed Open Air Suite! Sounded good to me. I didn't notice any print-through. I'll listen again with this in mind and let y'all know. I was particularly taken by "Ttum" on the second side. I had to listen twice. And then again. I can imagine how scorching his tone could sound with bass and drums on this composition. Now listening to Open Air Suite for the first time!

Let me just clarify that I don't consider myself the intended audience either. What I think we need to understand though is that most of this stuff is being created with no set audience in mind at this point. Hip-hop has a much wider audience reach than I imagine was intended, most likely because it became extremely wide reaching for influence and inspiration. I fully understand that I was born into a world where hip-hop already existed and that alone creates a very different, and possibly lesser, understanding of the subject.

Allen, what specifically are you talking about? No disrespect intended. Creative wall, repetition, mass audience, money, etc. Seems like a characature of a stereotype. Hip-hop seems to me to be a water that is as deep as you are willing to dive. Not quite the same way jazz is, since this is a conversation about hip-hop and jazz, but hip-hop is a prolific culture. Almost none of it will ever be heard by any branch of popular culture.

Stones Throw Records Warp Records Two labels that don't give a shit what you guys feel about Robert Glasper or a hip-hop/jazz hybrid. Not to mention the hundreds of mixtapes that flow throw the Internet every week. You guys can analyze the music all you want, and imagine this ideal that you can't quite actually imagine, but people are going on about their music whether or not it is jazz enough for you. Surprised as you may be, the term hip-hop probably means as much as the term jazz at this point. I think Chuck has put it as succinctly as anyone here is going to be able to put it. You are not the audience and it didn't happen. Not the way you wanted it to. Never will.

This is a fluff.

Hahahaha!

Out of control is right. Completely turned off. THAT sucks.

Happy Birthday Roo!

Really sorry to hear this Jeff. Let's hope you find something soon and are kicking yourself for not enjoying your time off more!