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One of the best albums of that great time, one of my first idols as a musician, so it is one of my alltime favourite albums. I have heard Liebman when he was with Miles, and then with "Lookout" Farm, then during his World Tour with Chick Corea, at the same time for some days "off" during that time (1978) at Jazzland with Fritz Pauer Trio, and one year later or so with the first "Quest"-band, when Dave Liebman signed me my "Drum Ode" copy. It was John Scofiel, who had led me to the Master, to get my album signed (with my name !) .

Time flies. There were still dozens of them alive, when I was a teenager. But now I regret I didn´t listen to those, whom I had considered "oldies" in those days (Basie, Ellington, Goodman, Buddy Rich..... and so on). I had started only with what was THEN called "modern jazz" including free jazz and rock jazz, that means from Bird to the then super nova electric Miles....

Didn´t know that Kenny Dorham still played so late in his career. I had thought he had stopped after "Trompeta Tocata".

Oh yeah ! My wife says it sounds like that kind of music as key theme for an old police thriller series of the 60´s or early 70´s and it sure has something of it. I live that album and I love the Coltrane stuff from 1965 on most of all, like the great "At Village Vanguard Again", the sheer impact of that music. Here I was super fascinated by the sound of the two basses and the great drumming of Elvin.

Very interesting story ! But didn´t they have a phone in the club where somebody from the staff could have called a cab for you ? Or is this not usual in NY? Here if I wanna cab I let the joint call it for me, and from home to someplace I call the cab by phone myself. We are drivin´ a lotta cab because especially for a woman who look´s too attractive it has become dangerous in Viena to go by metrou, even at daytime you are not safe !

I remember that Johnny Coles is on it, but as much as I like Johnny Coles own album for BN, I think I remember I didn´t likee it so much on that Tina Brooks album. And maybe I had my things with never before issued contemporanous CDs under the BN label name. Like I don´t really like Jackie McLeans Tippin´ the Scales, and prefer the more far out goin albums he did at that time. Or Lee Morgan´s "Rajah" somehow is not up to what I used to hear from Lee Morgan, Let´s say, maybe because BN made too many records and then also issued originally rejected material. I like one good album, no alternative tracks and so, just the music that was recorded and put out then.... But it´s mostly possible I have this listening habit, since I don´t have much time left to listen once a while to a record, that means I mostly listen to what is a regular album or even better a live recording...

Strange, so much as I liked "Back to the Track", I didn´t find much stuff for me on the "Waitin´ game". Somehow like I don´t like the before unissued album they made with Freddie Redd. I love his compositions, his playing and his choice of musicians so much and was so disappointed by I think it´s titled "Redd´s Blues", with an obscure drummer, who doesn´t fit in, and the ensemble playing and the horn solos are also a mess.....

Thanks for advertising this ! Sounds like a dream team for me, four of my favourites on their instruments, and recorded live. Even if maybe sound quality is not up to date, it´s still better than let´s say some studio records where I am almost unable to hear the full drum set if I don´t have headphones. Blessed are those live recordings where you HEAR them snares, them rim-shots, them cymbals, everything...... and I "feel" that it would be almost "invented" for me. 😀

Music should be played from the heart, feelings, emotions, everything. I don´t know how music might sound, thats done as a mathematican´s work.....as I said, take it out in different direction, like Free Jazz was, but you have to feel the soul, the pulsation even if it is not a straight ahead. About me living in Vienna. Sure, my hometown but it´s always amusing how guys from overseas might ask me what kind of churchs, muzeums and stuff I could recomand to visit and I´m quite embarrassed by it. I live there, I know places that is groovy where I feel good, but let´s say, if I go to another country I also don´t do the typical cultural touristic hotspots.....I´d look how is the scene, have a look at peoples on street, might look if they have some cool fashion stores or malls, just discover it by myself with my priorities. Let´s say, doin´ sightseein by bus with a tourist guide would be a nightmare for me. That´s like a lotta sheep beein´ led by the shepherd......, not for me......

Well, I read the book because I didn´t know nothing about Bud´s live other than all the things Paudras wrote which are not always the truth, since Paudras didn´t mention that he knew Bud personally only for maybe 2 years. So Mr. Pullman´s book gave me more infos about what I didn´t know, if there is more to know for a man who is interested almost exclusivly in the music itself.... So I never had known anything before Mr. Pullman did his researches. Maybe, all them hospital records is a bit too much for me and my English is not that good to read much non-musical stuff..... But you know, I have been mostly interested in what Bud played, and to learn something about his marvelous touch, and that stuff you can´t read in books. I know about that discussion whether Buds first record was in ´47 or ´49´ but personally I don´t care.... it sounds good, though I prefer the periods when drummers where better recorded, I mean to have Max Roach on record and can´t hear him.....that´s almost zero to me. No drums heard, no real musical thrill and pleasure for me.... This lack of recording tehnique would have been in 1947 as well as in 1949, so if the stuff was done 2 years earlier or 2 years later is not important to me. What sounded interesting is that it is more possible that Bud was the one who really had the idea of "Conception" and that Shearing had stolen that idea from Bud. As Mr. Pullman told me personally this was what no one less than Al McKibbon had told him, and Al McKibbon had played with Shearing when he altered sets with Bud at Birdland or where it was...., and McKibbon has played with Bud as well.

I have that CD, but the very very best of it seems to be that Royal Roost session with stars like J.J. Johnson, Lee Konitz, Max Roach and so on, and the tracks with Dizzy.

Well very interesting. About the erratic performances towards the end of the Birdland Gig in late 1964 I think one thing must have frustrated Bud: The lack of recognition, the disappointment that they didn´t book form him congenial partners like let´s say Max Roach and Charles Mingus or so (would have costed a fortune), and the disappointment that he couldn´t "handle his own dough" since nobody seems to have explained to him that his was booked only to cover the expenses of his more than half year stay at the Paris Sanatorium....., and the bills and taxes and lawyers for gettin back his carbaret card and and and and ...... Would anybody even with a better state of mental health carry that kind of indignity ???????

Well, my music is jazz and my mentor was the great Austrian pianist, composer and teacher , the one and only Fritz Pauer ! You can read it in my short bio on my homepage I think..... It could happen when I was younger if some Engish speaking tourists asked me as a "local" about this or that about monuments from some classical composers and I´d answer "why not come to the Club so and so and listen to what´s happening NOW in terms of music in my town ?" We can´t denie some European influences in our "jazz" but it´s stuff that you can listen to. And words like "strict method" sounds funny in my ears. I have heard some early Schoenberg stuff once and it sounded quite good..... But I tell you what: In the late 60´s early 70´s there was Avantgarde snobs in the people of upper class, like Bankers who might "admire" "modern art", and "12 tone music° and say it´s fantastic and go to all them events to be seen and so, but I am sure they couldn´t even understand a 12 bar blues..... It was just to be "in". Now it´s else: Bankers go to clubbings and so......

There is a special tune on it, in minor, and I heard it also on a live CD and some club, with his then quinted with Pepper Adams, where it is the first tune of the first set..... I love that tune, it´s the best Donald Byrd composition I ever heard...... and the best Donald Byrd I ever heard play.... I think it is even my favourite Horace Silver. Interesting is the choice of Teddy Kotick, who I think became quite obscure after his long stint with Bird. Kotick, Tommy Potter, Curley Russell, who all had played much with Bird, rarely recorded again after that. Well, Curley Russel re-appears on "Blowin In from Chicago" (also with Cliff Jordan, and John Gilmore).... Ah ! This is what I was talkin about. The first tune on that album !

Very similar to me, I can "read" only a tune I already have heard. And about writing I was stuck in a very very rudimentary kind of it. I can laborously write a sheet and when I show it my "cats", especially the youngest will say "I understand what you mean, but no no, I must re-write it. Or I play it on piano thru the phone, and he records it and sends me the sheet worked out on computer for Bb, Eb, and C-instruments so they have the sheets for the next gig.... Twelve tone music....... and bein forced to write or play it......, I mean don´t play only diatonic, as Monk said "There is no wrong notes" , so even on piano with the flat finger position and different force for the keys you hit, you can make it sound a bit like that, or let´s say I hear Dolphy play solos. That´s not only diatonic and it is with heart, not worked down on paper. So for me "twelfe tone" is just a question of more emotion in the playing, let´s get far out if you want and can do it with sense. That´s why I also like good kind of 60´s avantgarde so called "Free Jazz". But European 12 tone.....oh no !!!!! About string quartet: I really think that maybe if I have the money or someone may do some musical event for me when I´ll be older, let´s say 70 or 75, they will do somethin´for me and my musical wish would be to play the more "pretty tunes" I rote, (for example "Waltz for Serena") to have some dudes play it on strings. I think some of the musicians I know, know how to get some classical kids from some classic school and may write out the theme and solo and then do it on fiddle..... just soft played. Might sound pretty....

I have this too but have not listened to it than once. I think the one I spinned often is titled "On View at Five Spot"

I don´t know very much about what series and wat special releases or editions something is. And I´d pay 10.000 euro only for necessary things if I need a craftman to fix somethin´in or on my house....., and even if 10.000 euro meant only "pocket money" for me, I´d rather spent it for 2 weeks holiday on a Greek Island or in Turkey or so...., or my wife might spend it on fashion and shoes, I even understand THIS better than paying it for a CD copy....😉 I´d rather earn 10.000 from my music, if it´s about music😀 So, if I get a CD before I listen to it, I don´t know more than that it is round and has a hole in the middle 😉 It´s only the music, that counts for me, and Tina Brook´s album "Back to the Track" is very fine, though I must admit at 1960 there were more daring outputs, that I´d listen if it must be from 1960.... Tina Brook has a very nice light tone, but it sounds else than Hank Mobley. The best Tina Brook I heard was his solos on a live Kenny Burrell CD, and on one of those Jimmy Smith jams, I never knew which is which.... I this the album Newks Time or how is it titled. Is it the one with Asiatic Raes the KD composition and with the Surrey with the Fringe on Top just in duo with Philly J.J. ? Then it is IMHO the best of the early BN albums Rollins did.

oh, too bad a time machine still was not invented ! I first saw a pic of Miles with Juliette Greco on that bop album "Miles-Dameron in Paris 1949", which is one of the most exiting bop albums of the whole period, in the same line with Parker´s "One Night at Birdland" and "Summit Meeting at Birdland". She seems to have been a very nice girl, beautiful brown eyes and long natural hair. It´s not hard to believe that Miles fell in love with her. But did Miles speak French ? I mean enough to really get to know and understand a French Girl ?

Hello ghost of miles ! I like that kind of stories, where you listen to a CD and it reminds you of some certain events in the past. I also have this CD maybe also from about 1993, but I never know what edition, and anyway would never buy another edition of a certain album I already know, even if it has alternate tracks.... But this one I like, though I must admit I bought it only because of the others, whom I knew, but didn´t know who Tina Brooks was. I think he was even more obscure here in Europe than in his home country. I don´t really know his story but it seems that his recording career was very short, and once I read somewhere that Alfred Lion though he liked Brook´s music, didn´t like him as a person. About memories by listening now: In your case it is walking into that store the first time. In my case : I spinned it in my car in the small hours on the highway, that first tune did fit so well to that hour and that lonesome drivin thru the night....... I had to switch for many many years between Austria and România, let´s say from the time I was working here but had my wife down there, so driving the whole night 1000 km when there was no highway thru Hungary or Romania, that was cool, heard a lotta music in the car then. Often almost the only car in the night, at least in those years. Definitly one of the great great records of the 60´s, from that period I love so much. I had the great occasion to hear Jackie McLean, Herbie Lewis, Billy Higgins with Bobby Hutcherson instead of Walter Davis, but since Bobby Hutcherson is on the twin album "One Step Beyond", it was almost a Jackie McLean Blue Note Quartet, what I heard, one of the best concerts I ever heard.... I never had heard Giorgio Gaslini but had heard that he was great playing very similar to Monk´s style...

All Prestige albums of Miles are excellent, especially those with the first quintet. Oh yeah, Philly J.J. on "Salt Peanuts". And on Working if I remember right there might be "Woody´n You" with that typically arranged out chorus, from the original Dizzy Charts, obviously arranged by John Lewis..... And Trane is so strong on that, Miles tone, Garlands piano, Paul´s bass, and my "buddy" Philly J.J., man they were for me something like maybe other heroes of maybe some sport, or some film for other kids back than. Herbie was so great on BN, but tell me when he was not great ? My favourite from the pianists, who were more or less "young stars in the early 30´s" when I first heard them..... There were two leagues in my school: The one was more torwards Hancock, and the others more torwards Chick Corea. Both were giants.

I think I have it somewhere in the shelves and listened to it once. I think I remember one remark in the liner notes: They put down the better selling CBS releases like "Homecoming" and so on, and stated that THIS is the real comeback of Dex to the states. I really did disagree because the Dexter of the late 70´s until his death was more modern and did more than just straight ahead mainstream, there was much more tension and suspans in it, especially the contrast between Dexter´s relaxed laid back phrasing and the modern, pushing rhythm sections. Sure there are topnotch musician on it, Barry Harris was as near to Bud as anyone could be, and to Monk, not only musically, but also in real live. I never have heard about Sam Noto. Is it possible, that he didn´t become famous as far away as we are in Europe ? We all know who Blue Mitchell was, but Sam Noto ? Never heard....

must be fine. I always loved Sun Ra, from the very first time I heard him on record (it must have been among my first records in teenage years, and finally until I saw him live. Well, my first start was the ESP album "Nothin´ Is" from I think 1966, it left a live long impression, and it is interesting when I finally heard him live, I was more prepared to free stuff like that, which sure was present, then to the bop standards and swing standards he also played. But for those who always thought that Free Jazz Musicians can play straight, it was a serious lection, Ra doin stride was first hand stride, he had it in the blood as well as Space Age Free Jazz. IMHO he was one of the greatest of them all, a pure Genius. I did not really understand all that stuff with Sun, Moon and Stars but since I am not a one God believer, more so I belief that there is a lotta "Gods", one God for the Sunrise, one for the Moonlight, one for harvest, one for nature or so, I dig Sun, Moon and Stars.... just as nature we see, and if I´m honest when I see a star or the moon I think about Sun Ra. Let people laugh about me, they must have somethin to laugh at, but I admire Sun Ra !

I must admit I have not heard much of Don Menza but when I saw him once in Viena he was tops, played tenor, really tough tenor with all them runs and almost like Griffin.....really a surprises....I was sick and inactive then, but now I regret I didn´t play with someone like him.....

We share exactly the same impressions ! You can read mine also earlier here on this thread. Exactly my impressions, one of the great jazz composers, but I don´t really like his tenor playing. And like you I love Bud Powell´s interpretations of it, live or in the studio at "Return of Bud Powell". I can´t say which one I prefer, because Bud recorded it on almost each album in the 60´s , in all European Countries like France, Italia, Suedia, Danemarca, Belgia , Germania , everywhere...... Well, there is no end, there is so much good players around, if people would stop listen to so called "modern jazz" just because those who first played it in the 40´s, 50´s we might not be able to pay our rents........

Thanks for the infos. And since I never was a fan of films, especially Westerns, since I don´t like to see all them rough men shootin´ around, I didn´t know anything about "Rio Bravo". And not being a chess player I only did read the Chess Nuvel. So the main thing I had observed was the nice girl on that Rio Bravo photo. Had not known about the actress as not goin´to movies and only look at a real woman, but she had taste about dressin´ that´s for sure....