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Interesting how the idea came to spin this today: Yesterday I did some ballroom dancing with my wife and the big band played "A Train" so I decided to spin Mingus at Monterey with that Ellington Medely with the most powerful "A Train". Somehow it´s interesting how Mingus combines the tradition with the more rough aspects of the newer thing. It´s almost like Sun Ra doing Fletcher Henderson arrangements in his unique rough style, swing in the Space Age.......same with Mingus here. And "Orange was the Colour of her dress" is beautiful, the strongest McPherson solo I ever heard, and Byard with this very churchy bluesy piano, and Lonnie Hillyer strong influenced by Dizzy, but completly his own. And the large orchestra version of "Meditations", very interesting though I prefer the quintet sextet versions with Dolphy. A great album !

It had this cover when I was young and during that time it sold very well. I had quite a few from that "That´s Jazz" series: Mingus "Blues and Roots", Coltrane-Cherry "The Avantgarde", Ornette Coleman "Free Jazz", The Messengers feat. Thelonious Monk etc. …..

I had forgotten how great this is. Since I read Dave Liebman´s autobio and he praises Pete LaRoca, I spinned it today. And now an old classic is running. When I was at school, many people talked about the famous LesMcCann Eddie Harris stuff.

Happy Birthday !

I really like the Gene Ammons at Montreux since it really fits to this thread (1970´s) since Hampton Hawes uses the Electric piano and Bob Cranshaw the Electric bass. This is very interesting to listen to somehow "straight ahead" bop like "Yardbird Suite" with a more Electric Sound. Wonderful, like a marriage between the Old and the New and that also was part of the 70´s. There was those Players who wouldn´t look back, and those from the old School who started to use some of the electricity, like Dizzy did, like Sonny Rollins did….

well I didn´t find the CD nowhere. When there were all those reissues in the 90´s and early 2000´s (RVG and Conoisseur), there was not this Album. And I didn´t know that I posted a CD cover. I just looked for the Image of the Album I heard and found that, without knowing the source.

I almost had forgotten about that great encounter McCoy Tyner Jackie McLean. Really great, and I also like very much the choice of Marcus Miller on el-bass on some of the tunes. I never understood why this was not reissued on CD. So I spinned it and recorded it on an USB stick to listen to in the car, The next on the car play list (from my LP collection) is the Messengers at Sweet Basil, really strong.

I saw this edition of the Messengers in the late 80´s . Nothing spectacular, but solid

Indeed, but I didn´t mean that they should play the bass notes with the right hand, it was more a question about style and Interpretation. It came out of a personal experience I had during last summer when we visited a piano bar and the pianists who worked there, if they played a 4/4 straight ahead tune they did almost exclusivly those walking bass lines . This may sound nice sometimes, but it can be exaggerated….especially if it´s those bass notes banging on piano, they Sound great if you got a Bassist and he walks, but IMHO not so fine if the pianist does the "job" with those walking bass lines.

A fantastic Collection, I also have this. IMHO the best stuff is the Big Band from 1947-48, all those great arrangements of bop classics. It´s interesting that in 1949 they had more vocal stuff , but also very very fine.

Yes, those were the days. The stuff on "Silent Way" is really great, I listen to it more often than to "Bitches Brew", but of course both are great. Back to Bird: Somehow, even if it was Long before their time, the hipsters from the 70´s very often dug Bird. They listened to free stuff like Ornette Coleman and beyond, to all the Electric stuff, and to Bird. I´m kind of a product of that times, bop, free, and some of the Electric jazz as Electric Miles, Headhunters, RTF, and so on......

Good Point ! I couldn´t have said it in words, but I also think the soprano is a separate "departement" . I was astonished how many Tenor saxophonists "did" also some stuff on soprano: Archie Shepp, and even Dexter Gordon (I heard a live Version of the George Cables bossa tune "I told you so" played exclusivly on soprano, and it sound´s somehow funny how Dexter plays the soprano with his laid back style. Sonny Rollins, also some tunes on soprano. I got more conscious About the unique role of the soprano when I read Dave Liebman´s autobio "What it Is". He really concentrated on soprano and for some time played it exclusivly.

Oh I remember this but never had it. Is this the solo album. It was spinned in the Austrian Radio Show "Jazz Shop" in 1977/78 and if I remember right it had that great version of "Sometimes I feel like a motherless child" on it. Very bluesy, gospel type piano. I later heard Ray Bryant live in a combo setting and he had a lighter touch, More like on the Miles album from 1955......

Especially that bossa tune on it. And the rare occasion to hear Jackie McLean playing a bossa solo. I think I like that tune most from that album.

There is a great live version of Red Clay on the VSOP "Tempest in the Colloseum" . This was an album that was discussed in my classes at high school. And THIS was also PART of the 70´s : If some one among the bunch of guys we was got some pocket money, he would spend it at the vinyl shops and the next day he would bring it and we would listen and discuss. It was like "Organissimo Forum Live".

Nice list, but in my case THE historical release of 2019 is Dave Liebman´s "Lookout Farm" live at Hamburg.

Great, I always perferred the records where Bud has the opportunity to play with congenial horn players. This with Don Byas, others with Hawk in Germany, with Griffin in Edenville (a bit marred by the weak drumming), and again Byas-Idrees Suleiman on "Americans in Europe".

But it was released on CD, only I´m not sure if there´s also a RVG edition of it. I have this with the original cover: And the same cover photo/design is on the next BN Album "Horace Silver with Jazz Messengers", the one with "The Preacher" on it...…. I think I have all Horace Silver albums from the 50´s in cronological order but somehow actually I´m listening to other stuff.

on first view you might not think this is Chrismas related, but it is. Dexter Plays a whole chorus of "Chrismas Song" as a cadenza after a (quite rambling) Body and Soul. And during that kind of rambling set closers that were part of Dexter´s shows, he attempts to quote "White Chrismas" which has to be completed by Kirk Leightsey, and same Thing with "Have yourself a Merry Chrismas".

What a fantastic band that was. I was lucky I saw them live in the 70´s.

Thank you all for your great answers. Really interesting points, especially that he didn´t have distinct solo talent, more talent in organization.

I must admit I have not been really familiar with Stan Kenton´s work, my fault. Now, for Chrismas my wife bought me a CD "Stuttgart Experience" 1972 live, that´s really fanscinating. Besides the great Arrangements and the very much Percussion input, great soloists etc , I noticed the way Mr. Kenton plays the piano : He doesn´t seem to play much during the big band sections, at least he does not solo, maybe he´s conducting ? But he does some incredible intros in what I might say is a kind of arpeggio style . I never heard anything like that. It seems very virtuoso-like, Incredible. I couldn´t do that even if I´d practice. And they are kind of mood intros, out of time until the band starts. And the only "in time" intro seems to be his intro on the swinging like hell "Intermission Riff" . He´s focussed on the deepest bass keys the piano has, I only heard something like that done by Monk on "Jacky-ing" , that´s were Monk at one point plays lays similar to this Kenton intro …..

I don´t know if this is a legit . It´s a mediocre set of music at a relativly late stage of Dexter´s career. Moment´s Notice can´t match the Wonderful version from "Manhattan Symphony", then follows a rather rambling performance of the too often played "Body and Soul" with a "Chrismas Song" cadenza. The only really strong track is the medium tempo blues "Dexter Dig´s In" but I think it´s another line from the early Savoy sessions, they all had titles with referenzes to "Dexter" and maybe this one was "Blow Mr. Dexter". This, actually could have been longer, since it´s really fine played. Than follows a quite rambling ending with some attempts to play "White Chrismas" and "Have Yourself a Merry Chrismas". The liner notes say it´s an 80 Minute set, but it runs only 48 minutes. Well, it´s a nice Chrismas present I got from my wife, so it´s most welcome…...

Happy Birthday

The original "Lookout Farm". Elvin Jones "Remembrance" I really regret that I sold those. Maybe I´ll try to find them again but I have heard that "Lookout Farm" is not available on CD, I really don´t understand why…...